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Basically Meat-Only?
« on: September 08, 2009, 05:10:59 AM »
OK, so I think I discovered the source of my digestive and muscle cramping issues was fructose and sorbitol. So I tried cutting out the problematic fruits. However, it seems I might still be having issues either with raw greens or eggs as well. So I'm wondering; maybe I should cut out most fruits and veggies too. And heck, maybe even some eggs. (Sounds like it will be very expensive, but oh well. I want to feel good!)

I'm curious, I know a few of you here are basically eating a meat-only diet. Do you have any digestive issues, or did you at first? Please be honest!

I was reading about meat-only diet here:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=529236

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2009, 05:39:56 AM »
I've never had digestive issues that needed fixing so my experiences may not be relevant but I've also never felt better than my current eating plan.

I eat when hungry, stop when full.   It's pretty simple, as fuel should be.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2009, 05:48:50 AM »
TWS, are you eating basically meat-only?

I found another site that gives some tips:

http://blog.zeroinginonhealth.com/?page_id=168

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SEVEN SIMPLE RULES FOR THE HUMAN CARNIVORE

1) Eat only from the animal world (eggs, fish, redmeat and fowl and some dairy are all animal sourced foods, i.e.: meat).

2) Eat nothing from the vegetable world whatsoever. (Very small amounts of flavourings such as garlic/chillies/spices/herbs which may be added, are not Ďfoodí).

3) On diary: avoid milk and yoghurt (heavy carbs- lactose), use only pure (not Ďthickenedí- heavy) cream (read the label), cheese and unsalted butter.

4) Donít cook your meat very much- just a little bit on the outside- for flavour- blood-rare or bleu. For this reason I advise against eating pork.

5) Eat liver and brains only very infrequently- they are full of carbs.

6) Be sure to have plenty of fat of animal origin at each meal and eat mostly of the fat until you feel you have had enough- you can eat more lean at this point if you like- calories are not important, nor is the number of meals/day. Vegetable oils are not good food.

7) You do not need any supplements of any kind. Drink a lot of water and do not add salt to anything.

That is all there is to it.

DO NOT obsess over what you eat, follow the rules and it will become second nature, and you will not have to think about it at all. What you eat is a social conditioning, most people will never alter their diet from what their mum fed them as babies, only those rare individuals who have a strong will and desire for a normal-sized, healthy body can do it. Even the grossly obese have trouble with my path. You may feel low on energy for a few days or weeks, but as soon as you keto-adapt to zero-carbs that will pass and your energy will be increased.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2009, 06:36:43 AM »
From Paleo Diet for Athletes:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FUV15a7GZycC&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=going+carnivore+paleo&source=bl&ots=2Zg8fuKDgG&sig=LnMIaoM1y6yHPHVAFnVm8LEWYkk&hl=en&ei=2FumSqWFMeO2jAft6rCbDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=15#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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...we humans have evolved a number of biochemical adaptations that are parallel to those found in pure carnivores...during the past 2.6 million years, we have made a significant evolutionary shift that has brought us closer to a meat-based diet than a plant-based diet....


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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2009, 07:49:47 AM »
TWS, are you eating basically meat-only?

I found another site that gives some tips:

http://blog.zeroinginonhealth.com/?page_id=168


Yes, I'll eat meat-only for several weeks at a time.  I don't call my diet 'zero' as I'll eat seasonal, locally grown produce.  Not so much as I think we need those things to be healthy but for taste.   I like a good, homegrown tomato!

The site you've listed is a great resource for information on zero carbs.  It's not a site like, say Atkins, that is all social and forgiving.  It's an informational site and the core group doesn't much want input on anything other than zero.  And until you've done that for several months, you are invited not to participate much.  I don't post there often for the reasons stated above (heirloom Brandywines!).

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2009, 08:57:47 AM »
4) Donít cook your meat very much- just a little bit on the outside- for flavour- blood-rare or bleu. For this reason I advise against eating pork.

It's annoying because non-minced beef is so expensive =/ Pork is more reasonable. And why does it just advise against pork and not poultry?

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2009, 10:22:04 AM »
I was just thinking that myself, as you said, you can't eat poultry raw either so they should list that too.

And you are absolutely right, non-ground beef, especially grass-fed, IS expensive. I totally agree and was worried about the expense myself. Although, I guess you'd be saving all that money that you would have been spending on fruits and veggies.

Thanks for the info, TWS!

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2009, 09:03:20 PM »
I have eaten mostly meat for a while now.  I just get paranoid (media bombardment) that I should be eating fruit/veg ;)

I think that Steffanson, the Inuit or the Chukchi show that you can live quite well with zero fruit and extremely little veg.


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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2009, 09:21:04 PM »
I have eaten mostly meat for a while now.  I just get paranoid (media bombardment) that I should be eating fruit/veg ;)

I think that Steffanson, the Inuit or the Chukchi show that you can live quite well with zero fruit and extremely little veg.



However, I think that Steffanson when living with the Inuit ate some of the fish and meat raw which has some vitamins that are not available in cooked meat, but are available in fruit / vegetables.


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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2009, 10:39:18 PM »
Barbaric only eat meat for many moons.  Barbaric poops alot for first few weeks.  Barbaric no like meat.  Then, Barbaric poop like everyone else.  Barbaric like meat.  Then, Barbaric eat shiney fruit and green leafy stuff.  Barbaric poops until he thinks he can poop no more.  Then, Barbaric poops more.  Then, Barbaric poops like everyone else.  Barbaric likes shiney fruit and green leafies.

Honestly, I have digestive problems for a few weeks every time I eat something new or stop eating something that I've been eating for a long time.  As far as I'm concerned, a human can subsist on a meat only diet (simply because the animals have already eaten the fruits and vegetables) only when the meat comes from an animal that doesn't live on a farm (free ranging and agri-free).  Which basically means that you have to hunt down and butcher your own meat.

I have no research to support this opinion and even if I were faced with this, I would certainly chomp on an onion or a berry while waiting for my next meal to wander down to the stream for a drink of water.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2009, 02:30:02 AM »
Thanks for the input everyone! Barbaric, you're funny! :D

I do try to leave my red meats slightly raw in the middle, and I do buy grass-fed, pastured meats and eggs. I know, it's not wild meat, unfortunately, but it's as close as I can get right now.

So - I tried my first basically meat-only day yesterday. Unfortunately, I got a bad toe cramp and calf cramp in the middle of the night last night.

It's too bad, I felt really great yesterday! I loved the great energy level all day, and I didn't get hungry either at all. That was awesome. I felt nice and slim all day too. This morning when I woke my belly was nice and flat, instead of the distension and bloating I often get. Also I liked how easy it was to cook meals.

If only I could figure out what nutrient that I was lacking in that caused the muscle cramps last night....if I could just make that up somehow, I'd love to keep eating this way!

ETA: I wonder if it was because I had too much salt yesterday? I was reading about other folks having the same exact muscle cramping problems here, and it was related to salt. I did have a lot of salt yesterday:
http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php?tid=1208
« Last Edit: September 09, 2009, 04:47:51 AM by marika »

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2009, 06:20:30 AM »
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4) Donít cook your meat very much- just a little bit on the outside- for flavour- blood-rare or bleu. For this reason I advise against eating pork.

Most chefs agree that this rule is no longer valid as feeding methods for pigs have changed considerably. No more swill.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2009, 07:09:03 AM »
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4) Donít cook your meat very much- just a little bit on the outside- for flavour- blood-rare or bleu. For this reason I advise against eating pork.

Most chefs agree that this rule is no longer valid as feeding methods for pigs have changed considerably. No more swill.

Most chefs say pork can be pink inside but not blood rare. 

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2009, 07:12:49 AM »
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4) Donít cook your meat very much- just a little bit on the outside- for flavour- blood-rare or bleu. For this reason I advise against eating pork.

Most chefs agree that this rule is no longer valid as feeding methods for pigs have changed considerably. No more swill.

I eat pork nearly to totally raw often and have had no issues at all. Been doing that for a couple of years.