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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2009, 02:52:08 PM »
Yes, last night I didn't have any muscle cramping at all, despite it being my first completely meat only day! I'm actually kind of surprised by that...and how wonderful and awesome I feel too!


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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2009, 08:07:09 PM »
Now you are getting it  ;)


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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2009, 03:25:16 AM »
Yes, I really am! :D  Thanks Tarlach, you and a few other meat-eaters here were the ones that gave me the idea that this might actually work!

I can't believe it! We are so ingrained on how much we need our fruits and veggies, and then I discover that it was the fruit and veggies that was the problem the whole dang time!!!

And since I've been reading the Zeroing in on Health forum (zero-carb forum), I am amazed and shocked by how many people are doing this (for years now), and are incredibly healthy! No scurvy, no rickets, no fractures, no doctor visits at all! It's like finding out that everything you ever learned your whole life is wrong!

This morning starts my day 3 of completely meat-only. Still feeling completely awesome, better than I ever have in as long as I can remember. It's so nice to have a good digestion again!

My DH is a little surprised by this new way of eating and hasn't joined me. But he seems cool with it at least!

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2009, 05:43:49 AM »
how do you avoid scurvy?

where do you get vitamin c?

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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2009, 05:47:54 AM »
Fresh meat that is not overcooked contains vitamin C.


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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2009, 06:07:04 AM »
I do know the trick to cure stomach pain / inflammation with cooked fatty meat.

But I am very wary about any vitamin C deficiency.
I believe in vitamin C abundance from raw fruit.
How I came to believe in this was how abundant vitamin C fruits in the morning + fat turned my growing numbers of white hair back to black again.

Vitamin C deficiency has been linked to heart disease... and is said to be the leading cause of heart disease.

Scurvy is the immediate extreme no vitamin C diet...

This is why I maintain my guavas, papayas, native "indian mangoes" which are the highest vitamin C content fruit locally available.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2009, 06:23:07 AM »
Scurvy can be cured by vitamin C, but is not caused by lack of fruit.

You don't get scurvy when eating fresh meat.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2009, 06:28:48 AM by Tarlach »

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2009, 06:47:48 AM »
What is 'overcooked'? Can you live healthily off of cooked meat only, with no vegetables? I thought certain min/vit were almost completely destroyed by cooking, like the B vitamins...?

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2009, 07:05:43 AM »
marika, i'm so glad that it is working so well for you. i'm not brave enough to totally cut out fruits and veggies, at least not yet, but i'm trying to eat only locally available fruits and veg, which may mean little to none through the winter months.

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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2009, 07:39:31 AM »
What is 'overcooked'? Can you live healthily off of cooked meat only, with no vegetables? I thought certain min/vit were almost completely destroyed by cooking, like the B vitamins...?

Check Nutritiondata for the same cut of meat, cooked and raw.  You will see that there is very little difference between the vitamin contents.

You certainly do not lose any significant amounts of vitamins by cooking.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2009, 07:41:32 AM »
Do you have a link to such data?

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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2009, 07:54:06 AM »
There is a good discussion on the prevention of scurvy with fresh meat here:

http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php?tid=685

Also this article explains how eating citrus didn't help sailors with scurvy, but fresh meat does:

http://www.carnivorehealth.com/main/2009/6/3/disease-of-civilization-scurvy-vitamin-c-deficiency.html
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"The conventional wisdom is that there is no vitamin c in meat. Yet anyone eating a diet of raw meat experiences no deficiencies, in this vitamin or any other. This is the simple fact, and is demonstrated daily by people consuming a diet of rare or raw meat. Science hasn't got a clear answer on why this is but there is some speculation.

All we know for sure is that people who eat raw meat experience no dietary deficiencies. The reasoning is nothing but speculation that makes no difference in the final outcome."

It doesn't have to be raw, either. There are folks on the zero-carb forum that have been eating only medium cooked beef and water for years and have no nutritional deficiencies or scurvy, they are in prime health. Even pemmican made of dehydrated raw beef and tallow, has worked alone for some of them for years! Isn't that amazing?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2009, 09:47:15 AM by marika »

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2009, 07:54:50 AM »
Do you have a link to such data?

Don't tell me you haven't used Nutritiondata?  It's the USDA National Nutrient Database in a more user friendly format.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beef-products/6130/2
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beef-products/6131/2

Swap both to 100g for a common measure.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2009, 08:40:33 AM »
Thank you.

However, it does it even have a value for Vitamins A, C, D, E or K..

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2009, 09:02:48 AM »
Scurvy can be cured by vitamin C, but is not caused by lack of fruit.

Ascorbic acid - vitamin C - in the form of ascorbate is apparently needed by phagocytes - a type of white blood cell involved in immune responses - to control oxidation during phagocytosis.  I've seen a claim that glucose displaces ascorbate in phagocytes, causing problems.

If this is correct, the problem in the modern standard American diet is that there's too much carbohydrate that gets digested to glucose without compensating vitamin C.  Fruit has glucose but also has extra vitamin C to make up for that.  Meat doesn't have sugar in it in the first place, so doesn't pose a problem.

It's still not clear how meat could make up for ship's biscuit, though.