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Offline ajmesa

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #420 on: March 13, 2010, 07:29:08 PM »
2,500 calories from milk supply over 180 grams of carbs. 2,500 calories from meat provide nearly 0 grams of carbs. Glucose in blood will have the same effect.

You have failed to do your fact checking again.  Unlike milk, the amount of glucose in blood is extremely low - perhaps 3g per 2500 Calories:

http://www.fitbit.com/foods/Lamb+Blood/7287

That's lower than steak:

http://www.fitbit.com/foods/food?viewFood=on&foodId=82044

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Milk also has a very different acidic load. Most meats range somewhere between 8 to 13 mEq/100g, while milk is only .5 to 2 mEq/100g.

Of course, those who can do arithmetic will find that fatty meat also has five times as many calories per 100g as full fat milk:

http://www.fitbit.com/foods/food?viewFood=on&foodId=9030
http://www.fitbit.com/foods/food?viewFood=on&foodId=82356

The only person I know who survives primarily on milk drinks gallons per day.  As far as I know, no one eats meat in 8 lb chunks.

My main point with the previous post is that a milk-based diet is not the same as a meat-based diet. I think you wouldn't dispute that.

The articles series I posted for general information, so that everyone can get multiple perspectives. Getting more perspectives has never killed anyone.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #421 on: March 13, 2010, 08:21:36 PM »

My main point with the previous post is that a milk-based diet is not the same as a meat-based diet. I think you wouldn't dispute that.

That was an error on my part. 

The original thread was on the exclusion of most plant matter;  a diet of animal origin.  I haven't followed this resurgent-thread closely enough.  I should have offered a better alternative to the concerns in the Inuit diet.

Fact is, I've never thought of those 'marginalized' H/G societies as a rationale for my food choices.  I could care less what Inuit, Inpuiat*, !Kung or Bushmen eat.   I came to Paleo from an interest in evolution and the origins of human intelligence and social structure.

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*yes, I am also reading Meat, a Love Story by Susan Bourette


Offline Warren Dew

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #422 on: March 13, 2010, 08:58:30 PM »
My main point with the previous post is that a milk-based diet is not the same as a meat-based diet.

If that was your main point you made it poorly, ajmesa.  You should state your point and provide relevant supporting information.  Mistaken information on irrelevancies like blood or distortions like your numbers on acidic load only serve to hurt the point you are trying to make.

For the benefit of anyone unsure of the differences between meat and milk based diets, they are different in that milk contains a lot of sugar, which meat does not, and in that the protein in milk is generally less digestible and more problematic than the protein in meat.

There are also some similarities.  For example, meat and milk both generate acidic ash and both contain significant amounts of fats and saturated fats.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #423 on: March 14, 2010, 06:20:39 PM »
after reading this I don't understand what Ajmesa is arguing, it seems that he doesn't even have an argument?

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #424 on: March 14, 2010, 10:23:02 PM »
after reading this I don't understand what Ajmesa is arguing, it seems that he doesn't even have an argument?
You are absolutely right, I just posted the link so that other people have multiple perspectives.


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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #425 on: November 16, 2010, 08:36:16 AM »
I'm new to this forum, and I came here because I though it was weird that I NATURALLY have a high carb, and high meat diet, yet no scurvy. For my entire life (which by now is 21 years), I never ate more than 10% of the daily vegetables or fruits that are recommended. The usual average was about 5%. For the last 3 years, I have only eaten fruits/vegetables once every few weeks or months (and still, in smaller quantities than most people eat daily). I have no symptoms of scurvy. I also eat massive amounts of sugar, yet am still skinny (ok, that's due to an incurable anemia I have). Also, my lifetime average BMI was 18, and it didn't waver more than 1 point regardless of whether I was eating 2000 calories a day, 3000 calories a day, or 1300 like I do now. I don't eat greens because my appetite is too low to gain enough calories from such calorie sparse foods, and also because I get excruciating stomach aches when I eat fruits (and to a lesser extent from vegetables). I no longer have a gall bladder, due to billirubin gallstones, so I can't eat high fat foods without 3+ hours of stomach pain. Basically, 80% of my diet is crabs, and the rest is meat.

Offline Warren Dew

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #426 on: November 16, 2010, 08:46:41 AM »
You can't tell much about what you'll be like at 50 from what you're like at 21.  I had a similar BMI and diet to you at 21, but still got metabolic syndrome and started adding fat at several pounds a year in my mid 40s.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #427 on: February 21, 2011, 10:31:47 PM »
You can't tell much about what you'll be like at 50 from what you're like at 21.  I had a similar BMI and diet to you at 21, but still got metabolic syndrome and started adding fat at several pounds a year in my mid 40s.

What you're forgetting is that I was like this all my life, as a result of an incurable anemia. A huge part of my calorie intake goes into replacing dead red blood cells, and I can barely walk to the kitchen without running out of breath. If I somehow got fat, I would become bedridden and die. Also, how would my body come up with the energy to transform 1300 calories into fat, AND at the same time not starve my other tissues considering that this amount barely keeps me running as it is? Did I mention that my stomach can't process more than 100 calories an hour (1000 calorie meals fill me up for 10-12 hours) and that fat goes through my system untouched?

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #428 on: February 22, 2011, 12:38:29 AM »
Who wants to bet that all these 'incurable' issues are caused by the fact that he gets 80% of his calories from grains?

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #429 on: February 22, 2011, 09:09:20 AM »
Grain is poison!

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #430 on: February 24, 2011, 09:56:58 AM »
Who wants to bet that all these 'incurable' issues are caused by the fact that he gets 80% of his calories from grains?

I don't.

Clinical-grade anemia by the age of 21 is usually a sign of genetic disorders. Not everything is fixable through diet.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #431 on: February 26, 2011, 11:59:18 AM »
Now that he's mentioned anemia, the bilirubin stones suggest he has hemolytic anemia.  If he has enough trouble producing red blood cells, dietary changes might indeed help.  In particular, more iron and protein from a larger proportion of red meat might help quite a bit.  I know he thinks he's eating a "high meat diet", but if he's getting 80% of his calories from carbs as he says, on a 1300 kcal/day diet, that leaves 260kcal, or less than 10 oz, of meat per day.

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Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« Reply #432 on: March 02, 2011, 04:41:18 PM »
@ HighCarbMeatLover: I'm not surprised that you
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...eat massive amounts of sugar, yet am still skinny (ok, that's due to an incurable anemia I have)
considering your symptoms, and simply wonder if you've been able to manage without it but eating more fat instead - it seems you have a great need for energy.

I'm not a doctor and I'm certainly not going to diagnose or mess with your medical treatment but I find it distressing that 'massive amounts of sugar' is acceptable.

Warren's analysis below showing that
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if he's getting 80% of his calories from carbs as he says, on a 1300 kcal/day diet, that leaves 260kcal, or less than 10 oz, of meat per day
indicates that not only more fat but more meat is a good idea if digestive issues allow.

I think that if the condition is a genetic disorder it would be a good idea for HighCarbMeatLover to investigate incorporating diet into his overall medical plan.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2011, 04:44:18 PM by avelin »