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Offline Woopy

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Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« on: August 29, 2009, 09:57:19 PM »
My poop has been more fluidy and I don't get it all out in a short frame where before they were solid and much larger and came out much more smooth

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2009, 03:41:56 AM »
Yes, I've had this problem too. What worked for me was to stop eating coconut products, and start eating a little bit more fruit.

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2009, 04:22:46 AM »
My poop has been more fluidy and I don't get it all out in a short frame where before they were solid and much larger and came out much more smooth

Where is the problem? You shit, right? Then everything is fine, don't obess on how it looks/smells/sparks or whatever, uh?

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2009, 04:56:35 AM »
There was a big long thread on this somewhere - I think it had "TMI" in the subject.

More fruit is my solution, but there's also simply waiting for intestinal flora to come into balance.

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2009, 05:18:30 AM »
Yes, that was my thread... :-[

Waiting didn't work for me (I had been Paleo for I think 2 months at that point), but yes, more fruit for bulk. And getting rid of coconut products, which can cause diarrhea.

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2009, 11:15:11 AM »
I had the same problem.

I ate a little probiotic yogurt and drank some Kombucha and I've been fine so far.

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 07:33:23 PM »
I don't know if its correlated with too many nuts (fat), but theres no way paleo man had diarreha all the time

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2009, 03:35:25 AM »
Are you still having it?

Another thing I recently discovered that was causing it for me was fructose malabsorption. Certain fruits are high in fructose: apples, pears, watermelon, grapes, dates, figs, and dried fruits. Honey and fruit juices are high in it too. For some people (about 30% of people), these foods can cause diarrhea.

Also sorbitol in foods can cause diarrhea as well. Stone fruits such as peaches, nectarines, plums, etc. are high in sorbitol.

This site shows the total metabolic fructose in various foods:
http://www.reducetriglycerides.com/reader_triglycerides_low_fructose_fruit.htm

This site also shows some lists of problematic fruits & veggies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose_malabsorption

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Unfavorable foods (i.e. more fructose than glucose)

    * Fruit - apple, pear, guava, honeydew melon, nashi fruit, pawpaw/papaya, quince, star fruit, watermelon
    * Dried fruit - apple, apricot, currant, date, fig, pear, prune, raisin, sultana
    * Fruit juices
    * Fruit pastes - chutney, relish, plum sauce, sweet & sour sauce, BBQ sauce.
    * Coconut
    * Dried fruit bars
    * Honey
    * Fortified wines
    * High Fructose Corn Syrup - many processed products contain this
    * Corn syrup solids
    * Fruit juice concentrates
    * Agave syrup

[edit] Favorable foods (i.e. fructose equal to or less than glucose)

    * Stone fruit: apricot, nectarine, peach, plum (caution - these fruit contain sorbitol)

This explained a lot of the problems I'd been having lately. Avoiding the high fructose and high sorbitol foods has cleared up both my diarrhea and the muscle cramps I was having!
« Last Edit: September 08, 2009, 03:54:04 AM by marika »

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2009, 02:04:51 PM »
my main fruits are raspberries, blueberries, grapes, pineapple, and banana.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2009, 03:19:43 PM by Woopy »

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2009, 02:32:20 PM »
Purple grapes are high in fructose.

I think the berries are OK in small amounts. The pineapple should be OK.

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 01:02:19 AM »
Too much fruit will always be a problem, even our grandmothers warned us not to pick too many apples/pears/plums etc or we'd get a pain in our tummies.
If you have problems on the paloe diet it's probably due to too little of the right sort of fibre. Try eating a couple of heaped dessert spoons of ground flaxseed/linseed meal once or twice a day. It will keep you regular and comfortable too.  It is a real paleo food, it has been found with preserved paleo bodies.  Eat it with raw or cooked fruit or in soup - it is prebiotic which is more effective than prodiotic for most of us - helps feed and grow the good bacteria .  Poop should be the mass formed by good bacteria which carry and help us digest nutrients from our food.  When it comes out like a big un-smelly, long soft sausage  ;D  and it'sjust a sign that your gut is working in the right way.
Real paleo poop is huge!
« Last Edit: September 15, 2009, 01:12:33 AM by mau »

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 02:36:22 AM »
The "Seven Deadly Sins"

• Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc)
• Refined foods (salt/sugars etc ) . . • Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant)
• Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . . • Legumes (soy/beans/peas)
• Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc)

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 02:59:08 AM »
Yes, I agree, fiber can actually cause intestinal problems (ask me how I know this!). :-)

I don't agree about eating ground flaxseeds. For one, they are so high in phytoestrogens that I can't in good faith recommend them to anyone. Anytime I have eaten food high in phytoestrogens, I have some very strong negative effects from them. Also, I really don't believe that they should be eaten in any great amount whatsoever (like most nuts and seeds). Certainly not ground up and eaten by the spoonfuls. In nature, you would not be able to eat that many. Also, I don't see that they were consumed that far back in history. The farthest back I could find was 8000 BCE:
http://books.google.com/books?id=j0zDO165tHcC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=flax+seed+history&source=bl&ots=zgi8W6MFK9&sig=kEQHVvaPOCR70jDxZZ76PsYbmN0&hl=en&ei=6WSvSv31Oqea4gbdy-nSBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=18#v=onepage&q=flax%20seed%20history&f=false

Also I don't agree that Paleo poop should be huge. Since going basically meat-only earlier this week, I noticed something that I also noticed when my cat started eating a raw meat diet too. The bowel movements are smaller, cleaner, more "efficient", is how I'd put it. And it makes sense, if one lives outside where predators can attack you, having small, efficient bowel movements would definitely be important!

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 05:25:53 AM »
Too much fruit will always be a problem
This is true for several reasons

 it's probably due to too little of the right sort of fibre.
you don't need fiber, you need fat


Real paleo poop is huge!
This has not been my experience at all--huge is bad, too much fiber

We've all got our pet 'experts' on various subjects.  Mine is this crazy little Russian:
http://www.fibermenace.com/fibermenace/fm_transcript.html

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Re: Bathroom problems after starting paleo...
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 05:25:53 AM »