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Offline BobbyT

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Non Dairy Substitutes
« on: June 23, 2016, 07:58:19 AM »
Hi All, I am fairly new on the diet and was wondering if non - dairy ice cream was ok to have for a little cheat snack now and then.
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 05:08:46 PM »
There's worse you could eat.  If it helps you eat clean then it's worth it for now.

Could do nutrient timing and try to have it after some exertion/exercise
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2016, 02:11:27 PM »
The worst thing about the ice cream is probably the sugar rather than the dairy.  The milk fat is probably the least problematic.

Any way you cut it, though, ice cream is not paleo.  If you're going to cheat with ice cream, it's probably better to go with the ones with the highest butter fat content, where cream comes ahead of milk and sugar on the ingredients liist.
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 08:48:52 AM »
As with all things Paleo, go for the highest quality food you can (organic, grass-fed cows etc).

As far as treats go, it seems like an okay choice, and as said above it's more the sugar which is troublesome. If I were to have ice cream as a treat I would go for Green and Black's Organic Dark Chocolate ice cream, then you could pour some full fat cream over it and maybe some low sugar berries?

When I'm considering treats or snacks, I aim to:
1. share them with my friends and family to reduce the amount I eat
2. swap out something high in sugar with something high in fat (like in the above having less ice cream and a little double cream)
3. eat them late in the day and preferably after a workout (to a) fill liver sugar stores before bed and b) to repay the glycogen debt)
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2016, 08:39:36 PM »
If I was going to have a treat, I'd have a steak, or maybe a prime rib roast.
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2016, 07:05:26 AM »
I was thinking about this again today, and the above sparked off a thought: once you're paleo/whole foods/weston a price etc for a long time, you start to think of a massive bowl of white rice as a treat... It really is perspective!
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2016, 08:48:36 AM »
If you're actually strict paleo, you start to think of a massive bowl of white rice the way you'd think of a massive bowl of shredded cardboard.  The carb cravings go away entirely once you resist them for long enough - or if you're on high fruit paleo, they get associated with fruit rather than grains.
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 01:27:09 AM »
I agree and disagree. I don't think rice is particularly tasty, but it feels very indulgent and I would slather it with butter too. I don't get any carb cravings any more so this would probably be purely on a carb based serotonin high and the physical pleasure in being a little stuffed (which sounds a bit perverse).

I actually find that fruit/sweet cravings can sneak up on me, but only when I eat fruit the previous day. The effects rear their head for a day then go away. At the moment I'm eating one portion of fruit a day maximum.
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 12:28:42 PM »
As far as ice cream and using it as a cheat; why not make your own. I make a simple banana green tea ice cream as a frozen treat. Here's the recipe:
2 Bananas
1 1/2 cup Full Fat Coconut Milk
2 tsp Organic Matcha Powder
1 tbsp Raw Honey or Maple Syrup
2 Vanilla Beans or 1/2 tsp Vanilla Extract

Instructions:
Freeze the bananas overnight. Then put everything in the blender and blend until smooth. You can serve immediately or store in the freezer for later.

You can make this a Banana ice cream by eliminating the matcha and adding chocolate chips (maybe Enjoy Life brand)

My point being that you can have ice cream, and making it yourself is quite easy and you control the quality of ingredients. Lastly, there are a ton of simple ice cream recipes out there. Just google it.
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2016, 03:06:17 AM »
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2016, 06:38:49 AM »
Quote from: cavemangray on June 30, 2016, 12:28:42 PM
As far as ice cream and using it as a cheat; why not make your own. I make a simple banana green tea ice cream as a frozen treat. Here's the recipe:
2 Bananas
1 1/2 cup Full Fat Coconut Milk
2 tsp Organic Matcha Powder
1 tbsp Raw Honey or Maple Syrup
2 Vanilla Beans or 1/2 tsp Vanilla Extract

Instructions:
Freeze the bananas overnight. Then put everything in the blender and blend until smooth. You can serve immediately or store in the freezer for later.

You can make this a Banana ice cream by eliminating the matcha and adding chocolate chips (maybe Enjoy Life brand)

My point being that you can have ice cream, and making it yourself is quite easy and you control the quality of ingredients. Lastly, there are a ton of simple ice cream recipes out there. Just google it.


Thanks for the tip! Will absolutely be trying this. Thanks everyone else for the feedback, I appreciate the help and lack of judgements!
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Re: Non Dairy Substitutes
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2016, 01:51:58 AM »
You're welcome :) If you make the ice cream I'd love to see some pictures to see how it turned out!
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