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Fish oil danger?
« on: August 28, 2010, 11:55:37 AM »
I've been taking fish oil supplements for a while now, as organic meat is too expensive and I don't like the taste of oily fish, I thought it would help increase my omega 3 levels.  I noticed some benefits to taking it, such as improved mood.  But I've come across this information that suggests fish oil may be bad for you:

http://www.funpcgame.com/health/Fish-oil-danger.htm

http://www.brianpeskin.com/

what do you think?

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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2010, 12:50:01 PM »
My take is that what's considered "normal" immune system function these days is probably an excessively high level.  That's why there are so many autoimmune diseases around these days.  For people on a modern diet, that may be needed because the excessive intake of glucose and starch inhibits white blood cell function, but for people on the paleo diet, a much lower level of white blood cells is fine.

I think the only risk from fish oil is the same as that from fish:  high mercury levels in some products.

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2010, 04:18:10 PM »
And it can act as a blood thinner, so if you have surgery planned, some doctors prefer that you stop it 2 weeks in advance.  In everyday life I haven't noticed anything taking longer to clot, so for anything short of surgery it probably doesn't matter.
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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2010, 05:15:43 PM »
Fish oil supplements are highly processed stuff... far removed from the original food.

Just go and get raw fatty fish... prepare it ala sashimi... complete with chopsticks.  It worked wonders for my brother when he was sick.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2010, 05:32:55 PM »
You really can't beat sashimi....  Best natural food on the planet.  Too bad it is so costly.  Wasibi and a bit of soyu and dip...ummm, ummm good...
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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 03:15:35 AM »
Fish oil supplements are highly processed stuff... far removed from the original food.

Just go and get raw fatty fish... prepare it ala sashimi... complete with chopsticks.  It worked wonders for my brother when he was sick.

But most oily fish these days is contaminated with mercury, I don't want to eat that.  The fish oil supplements I have have been distilled to remove the mercury.

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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 03:45:34 AM »
Fish oil supplements are highly processed stuff... far removed from the original food.

Just go and get raw fatty fish... prepare it ala sashimi... complete with chopsticks.  It worked wonders for my brother when he was sick.

But most oily fish these days is contaminated with mercury, I don't want to eat that.  The fish oil supplements I have have been distilled to remove the mercury.

I don't believe the vegan propaganda against fish eating one bit.
http://fishscam.com/

I eat wild ocean fish sashimi happily and serve it to my family at least 3x a week.  big fish, small fish, medium fish.  They're all good.

I doubt we get US Gulf of Mexico catch in Manila.

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I have experienced mercury poisoning first hand from my amalgams on my teeth so I personally know what mercury poisoning does to my body.

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Ocean food is far wilder and may have nutrition not available from land animals.
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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2010, 03:54:34 AM »
The mercury level in a fish is largely dependent on the size of the fish. Small tuna for instance won't have high mercury levels, while large adult tuna often will.

Very little risk of high mercury levels in sardines, which are a very oily fish.
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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 06:44:48 AM »
How do you prepare your fish?  I've tried to eat salmon a few times, but it tastes so fishy, I just can't bring myself to do it.  All of the recipes I've found for improving the taste of salmon include ingredients that aren't paleo.

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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2010, 03:03:16 PM »
The mercury level in a fish is largely dependent on the size of the fish. Small tuna for instance won't have high mercury levels, while large adult tuna often will.

Very little risk of high mercury levels in sardines, which are a very oily fish.

Also fish from less polluted waters have less mercury; Alaskan salmon has virtually none, while Atlantic salmon has moderate amounts.

I sautee my salmon.

Usually really fresh fish does not taste fishy; it starts to get fishy extremely rapidly, however.  If I buy salmon on tuesday and cook it wednesday, it has no perceptible fishy taste to me; if it sits in the refrigerator until friday, it starts to have a bit of a fishy taste.

Try having a salmon steak or salmon filet at a reasonably good quality restaurant and see if the taste works for you.  If it does, sauteed salmon should be fine.

Preheat the skillet to medium high heat with a little fat or oil, put the salmon in and watch the edge of the piece of salmon.  The initial bright orange color will gradually change to a lighter color starting at the surface of the pan and moving toward the top side of the fish.  When the color change reaches the middle, which should take 2-4 minutes, flip the salmon over, and cook the same amount of time on the other side.


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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2010, 03:39:16 PM »
Fish oil supplements are highly processed stuff... far removed from the original food.

Just go and get raw fatty fish... prepare it ala sashimi... complete with chopsticks.  It worked wonders for my brother when he was sick.

All well and good if you can afford it...I'd rather eat raw fish, but it isn't cheap where I am.
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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2010, 06:29:33 PM »
I think in your case ClanBearCaveGirl, you may benefit from the supplement since you only eat poultry.  You may need the extra fat from the pill, and probably could benefit from Cod LIver Oil.
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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2010, 05:55:46 AM »
Ok, read a bit of the links.  My thoughts, for what they're worth:

Fish oil seems to be helping your mood, and since you're not able to eat red meat or pastured poultry, you probably need a better omega 3:6 ratio.

Fish oil is relatively well-studied and does seem to have some beneficial health effects.  I couldn't see from what I read if anyone was actually getting sick more easily from the supposed immune suppression.  It could be that in "normal" (typical American diet, little exercise, etc) people these processes and cell reproduction are overactive.

I also didn't see anything about dosage of fish oil used.  It could have been much higher amounts than the 1 - 2 grams that many people take.



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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2010, 08:27:21 AM »
I also didn't see anything about dosage of fish oil used.  It could have been much higher amounts than the 1 - 2 grams that many people take.

I've also wondered about this. I only eat grass fed and pastured so have not had any motivation to research for myself.

If the ratio of 3:6 is what matters, then wouldn't the dose of fish oil need to be in line with what is being taken in via other sources?
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Fish oil danger?
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2010, 08:27:21 AM »