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Offline andrenio

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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2008, 10:53:38 PM »
I have long wondered whether carbs are really necessary for muscle mass gains.  I've always had a hard time gaining mass eating any type of diet you can imagine so I can't say what really works for me.  However from what I've read there seem to be a few contradictions.  For example, HGH and IGF-1 (which grow muscles) only come out when blood sugar is low, but regular insulin (which... also grows muscles?) only comes out when it's elevated.  I posted (http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=30546) about this on crossfit.com but never got an answer.  Anyway if you do find some good approach please do let me know  ;D.

Also, paleo diet has done nothing for my acne.  I'm 24 now and it's worse than when I was 16 (been 90% paleo for a year now).  I'm about ready to give up and go back to cream-land  :'(

Insulin helps recovery and muscle growth but from what I've read it has adverse effects too so Cordain only advises high glycemic meals just after workout for a quick recovery, which I'm not doing in my cutting diet to get ripped, I'll do when I start the bulking up phase.
For gaining muscle, and weight, you only need a caloric surplus,  and thats something you can do just by eating more healthy fats.
About acne Cordain advises not only avoiding all dairy products, grains ans beans but also any high glycemic food such as dried fruits. I think you should stick 100% to paleodiet before saying that this way of eating doesn't improve your acne.
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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2008, 03:23:36 AM »
While on acne wave I would like to add that with stopping completely dairy I had great improvements. Now I'm testing the masturbation-free regime (weird name for regime :D), yeah I know it sounds crazy but I think this is one of the main causes for my acne. Now I have almost completely clear body, which is unusual for me. Before 3-4 months I had my worst acne on my back. With holistic approach my body acne is better, very better.

I'm trying to stick with blood type diet (for O+ type), which fits very well with paleo diet: no dairy, no grains, no beens, no cereals. I'm eating only beef, vegetables, fruits, olive oil, some nuts (almond and walnut), raisins and honey. Drinking only water and green tea.

I'll report results after 2 weeks.


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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2008, 08:15:23 PM »
I think you should stick 100% to paleodiet before saying that this way of eating doesn't improve your acne.

You're absolutely right about this.  Actually the only reason I even brought that up was because I was surprised that going from "eating whatever is around" (basically no food control) to 90% Paleo didn't help my acne at all.  I would have expected at least some marginal improvement.

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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2008, 09:56:56 PM »
Actually the only reason I even brought that up was because I was surprised that going from "eating whatever is around" (basically no food control) to 90% Paleo didn't help my acne at all.  I would have expected at least some marginal improvement.

Also, I believe I read somewhere that doing this for a short period of time will only have limited health benefits.  The key time period being 45 days before you should expect any real results.

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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2008, 08:51:22 AM »
Okey.. two weeks without dairy, grains, beans, cereals, sugars, salt, potates. When I was saying it's difficult to gain mass with this type of a diet I was wrong. I manage to get in very good shape (maybe the best since starting fitness) without loosing any weight. I have some good results on acne, but its too early to talk in details about the results of paleo diet on teen (hormonal) acne. Maybe I'll share results lately.



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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2008, 05:57:01 PM »
Dr. Cordain has spoken at length about how the Paleo diet cures acne.

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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2008, 07:06:57 PM »
I'm sorry I've missed most of this thread... I've been busy lately, and on a bit of a paleo-slump, but trying to make a fresh start.

Awesome to see a fellow teenage-paleo. I'll be turning 16 soon. The acne issue is interesting... I'm generally _acne_ free on the visible surface of my face, though the skin is not clear (rosacia-ish stuff). I have, however, recently developed pretty scary hairline acne, luckily in the area that's covered up by my hair. The area gets super greasy due to sebum from my scalp migrating down. Now that I think about it, the appearance of the hairline acne seems to have coincided with my dietary slump, which featured many high-glycemic and omega-6 rich indiscretions.

I've never, however, been free in my teenage years from occasional pimples on my face, and general inclarity of the skin, including pimple-type things on my whole body. I've really never adhered to the paleodiet intensely or consistently enough to be able to make any conclusions about its acne controlling powers.

Cordain's whole acne argument revolves around insulin, and the high glycemic carbs that increase its levels. He says the insulin increases skin oil output, and also increases levels of growth hormones that encourage growth of pimples.

These seem like good explanations, at least in part, for acne, and I've always been kind of skeptical about claims that specific food groups are at fault. But in the name of science, it's good to explore other ideas. I eat a lot of unsweetened chocolate - rich in copper, which competes with zinc for absorption through the same ionic pathway, or somesuch, and zinc is supposed to help acne. I'm also skeptical about the "anti-masturbation regime." What are the hormonal effects of that?

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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2008, 01:29:18 PM »
Hi, Lord Snoolington :)

The "anti-masturbation" regime is just one of my regimes based on trial and error. There are some interesting studies that proves masturbation to cause acne..but nothing so serious. Unfortunately, this regime didn't work...like many others. You can read about my latest "funny" acne experience here: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Anti-acne-diet-and-teen-acne-t199207.html :)


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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2008, 09:42:00 PM »
Hi, Lord Snoolington :)

The "anti-masturbation" regime is just one of my regimes based on trial and error. There are some interesting studies that proves masturbation to cause acne..but nothing so serious. Unfortunately, this regime didn't work...like many others. You can read about my latest "funny" acne experience here: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Anti-acne-diet-and-teen-acne-t199207.html :)

As much as I hate to admit that sometimes drugs do work for acne, my son has been on a strict regime of daily oral Doxycyline, facial and upper body scrub twice a day with Triaz cleanser and Retin-A micro cream for problem spots like his nose and forehead.  He had quite terrifying acne problems starting around the age of 13.  We tried many different treatments and different soaps, etc.  For the past two years, he's been with this new dermatologist and on these meds and his skin has been fairly clear with the occasional facial flareup (usually after he is in a rush and skips the twice daily shower with the cleanser).

Masturbation is also supposed to cause hairy palms and blindness.  My eyesight is 20/20.  I only have to shave my palms once a week.

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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2008, 04:16:47 PM »
Masturbation is also supposed to cause hairy palms and blindness.  My eyesight is 20/20.  I only have to shave my palms once a week.

Veering more OT here, but those two masturbation myths you allude to have been thoroughly debunked.  It's a normal part of human sexuality (and many other creatures' as well).  It's now thought to be beneficial (in moderation).  A couple of links to get started:  http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mjackoff.html and http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3942-masturbating-may-protect-against-prostate-cancer.html

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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2010, 08:31:03 AM »
Thanks for the posts, guys.

However I'm a little bit skeptical about gaining a tons of weight on the paleo diet. When we talk about carbs, the Paleo is very restrictive. I think it will be a little hard to gain 10 pounds for 5-6 months (for example) without all the carbohydrates from bread/potatoes/rice/etc. Meat, eggs and olive oil for protein and fat sources are good but fruits, vegetables and nuts for main carb sources...Don't know. I'll try and see :)

OK, 10 pound of muscle, if all the parameter of your lifestyle and age are perfect.... really perfect, will take at least one year.  More that that its fat for sure !!!!   

If you goal is to gain size, eat crabs, you'll get fat and gain muscle in the same time ... you will get to your goal.

If you want lean muscle mass, to stay healthy, and look ripped, like 8% body fat: 

- ONE, 10 pounds for 5-6 months, forget that! Aim more for 4 pound for 6 month! Unless you take steroid.

- TWO, you need to eat a little bit more calorie than your maintenance to gain muscle, you don't need grain for that, fat contain 3 times more calorie than carbs and fat is precursor of testosterone.  Like 60 almonds witch is nothing .... give you a extra 414calorie, it contain 15g of protein, 35g of fat, 15g of carbs, your vitamin and mineral and its 100% paleo.

- TREE, Most people strength train like pussy! You body must think he wont make it unless he release anabolic hormone to make you grow. You must change your training often to prevent adaptation and train at you maximum intensity.


So basically I think that Paleo diet is fine to gain muscle mass.  You can also apply some strategy like, Anabolic Burst Diet, witch are period of very high caloric intake.

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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2011, 04:03:44 PM »
Great post PaleoChuck, all good points.

10lbs of real muscle gain per year is about the most you should expect, and that is with consistently busting your ass and feeding your body properly.  Real muscle does not come fast, fat does.

I've been working with a mix of the Anabolic/CKD diet and Paleo principles and it's doing great things for me.

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Re: Gaining muscle mass on paleo diet
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2011, 06:39:09 AM »
Started the Slow Carb diet around january, at 180 pounds, with probably over 30% body fat. My diet's evolved to more primal/paleo, and currently doing the 30 day paleo challenge thing.

In the time off beans and now purely paleo, I've been hitting the gym more. Lot's of kettlebells. But also a fair bit of running each week.

Have gained a handful of pounds.

Concerned me, because the scale has been my arch enemy for years. But seriously, it's obviously and definitely all muscle gain. My work outs are better, my clothes fit awesome, and honestly, it's hard to imagine why anyone would eat any way OTHER then paleo. (with the exception of perhaps a VERY rare and random pizza/cinnamon bun day).

It seems impossible NOT to gain muscle on this diet. Basically, tons of veggies, tons of protein. Bits of fruit? I'd wager virtually all of us are eating way way way more protein on the paleo diet then we used to, and that's the stuff we need for muscles.

I'd say, hang in there man.
Lift heavy things. Give your body to rest lots afterwards. Eat gobs of protein.
Pretty much impossible not to see great progress, even if you weren't looking for it.

Workout-rest-gobs of protein? That's the tried and true formula of strong cavefolk since the dawn of time.

AND, paleo will keep you gaining virtually JUST muscle. So you won't need to "slim down" as much after making great gains, like so many other knuckledraggers.