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Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« on: January 25, 2012, 12:28:13 PM »
Ok... where to start?

I had gastric by-pass almost 3 years ago. I have lost 162 pounds and I feel awesome! However, I want to eat as healthy as possible and I DO NOT want to ever put the weight back on....so my question is, can I eat this way after gastric by-pass? I mean, right now I eat mostly protien with carbs... but I'd LIKE to eat meats, veggies and fruits without the carbs.

I worry about eating the fat...will it make me sick? I've read that the fat is important...but I am not your typical stomach here... I dont think I can eat the fat with out barfing my brains out. Do I have to eat fat? How much fat?

I can eat mayo and I can eat avacado's without much trouble...but I dont generally try anything else such as olive oil or butter or ghee or anything.

What do you think?

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 01:27:52 PM »
Did they take out your gallbladder too? If not I don't understand why you can't eat fat. You may need to slowly add fat.  You don't eat fat alone but  eat fattier cuts of meat. Instead of eating boneless sinless  chicken breasts you eat chicken breasts with the skin on. Then try chicken thighs instead of breasts. Since  thighs are fattier than  breasts you can start  with skinless  thighs. From there try ground beef. 90/10 instead of 95/5. Then move onto 85/15. 80/20 tastes best and is most filling.  Try a little butter on cooked vegetables.  The biggest  issue I see is most paleos eat 2 or 3 meals a day instead of 5 or 6.

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 02:48:14 PM »
So long as you spread your food out over more meals per day, and don't change things too abruptly, paleo should be very good for you. It's worth trying, certainly.

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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 03:47:04 PM »
I cant eat fat because of the 'bypass' part of the Gastric Bypass...they make your stomach into the size of an egg, then bypass 7 feet of small intestine. It is the fist several feet of the small intestine that absorb most of what you eat...well, since they bypassed mine, and my NEW first 7 feet are actually not the REAL original first 7 feet....it doesn't really absorb very well....especially fats. it rejects them.....and out they fly.

When you have gastric bypass you also go in to malabsorbtion...which is why I take vitamins and supplaments for the rest of my life.

There are two things you learn real fast when you have gastric bypass...one is that your body rejects what it doesnt like real fast...and two is that you always have gas lol. Water gives me gas....anything gives me gas...I need to get a dog just to have someone to blame it on!

I'd have to admit it was totally worth it though, and I'd do it again tomorrow. I was a size 24 and now Im an 8. I had a tummy tuck last month, and I feel and look like I did in highschool!

It was NOT an 'easy fix' by any means....I work very hard at staying this way. I diet, Im at the gym every day. I walk like a maniac, and I even took a part time job in a busy, busy golf course restaurant for the extra running around (and the money doesnt hurt)

I KNOW the best thing for me is to eat Paleo. When I was fat, I was the diet queen. I tried every diet known to man to lose weight and I always felt the very best when I ate low carb...Atkins, Neandrathin, Paleo, etc...But that involves more fat than what Im used to now. I know everyone says not to try a 'low fat' version of this...so thats why I was asking if anyone would know if I would do ok on it. The only other way of finding out may lead me to barfing all damn day long...I'd rather not "try it and see"... ;D

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 03:48:05 PM »
BTW... NO, i do not have a gallbladder anymore!  :o

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2012, 04:13:17 PM »
Can they restore your intestines and stomach back to the ORIGINAL state it was?
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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2012, 04:20:30 PM »
I would never go back even if I could! I dont ever want to be fat again. It's a horrible feeling.

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2012, 05:20:28 PM »
I'd sue for malpractice.

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 04:40:23 AM »
Sue?

That IS what gastric bypass is...thats how it works. There is nothing to sue for? I dont understand? My surgery is working the way it is suposed to, and it turned out perfect.

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2012, 05:50:00 AM »
We tend to be a bit more hardcore about our health and body function. They say malpractice because a lot of things doctors do are incorrect. Insulin for t2 diabetics with a high carb diet, taking a gallbladder out for stones, statins for high cholesterol.

The gastric bypass while it works cor some is a terrible solution to a problem that is easily fixable with diet. Also as long as you keep a moderate carb paleo diet you won't get fat again so dont worry :)

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 07:59:08 AM »
Given that your digestive system is heavily modified, paleo may not be suitable for you. I mean, you can't digest fat, and animal fat is an integral part of paleo. You can't eat both low carb and low fat simultaneously. That will mean you are either starving or eating too much protein, both with serious consequences.

A few ideas from a non-doctor:

I'd try to single out any fats you may digest to eat more of those.
If the above fails, then I'd add more paleo carbs, trying to focus on those with low Glycemic indexes, to reduce insuling spikes. Squash and plantain may be good places to start.

If with the above you are still not getting enough overall food, or going overboard with protein, I'd add in some non-paleo-but-relatively-harmless-to-you foods. What that would be, you need to find out. Maybe you can digest white rice, maybe sweet potatoes, maybe yams.

Make sure you get rid of as many antinutrients as you can, by removing seeds, skins, soaking, grinding, fermenting, etc.

« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 08:08:08 AM by Il Capo »
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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 09:02:19 AM »
Sue?

That IS what gastric bypass is...thats how it works. There is nothing to sue for? I dont understand? My surgery is working the way it is suposed to, and it turned out perfect.

You are correct in saying 'that is how it works.'  It is making the doctor's Mercedes payment.  That's what it is supposed to do.

As long as there are quick fixes medicine will never will never be encouraged to research into why some people become 162 pounds over weight.

On this forum we believe a moderate carb paleo diet is the best solution.  However, there are probably people somewhere on another forum claiming low carb or paleo made them worse. Although I believe that would be a very small percentage of people who tried paleo, Dr. Atkins in his books said his plan might not work in about 15% of the population.  There should be genetic research into what works best for each individual. That will never happen until doctors admit low fat high carb diets work for very few people.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 09:17:37 AM by Paleo Dude »

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 03:17:04 PM »
What is done is done. Talking about reversing a gastric bypass does not help in any way at this point as it is something that is done very often, is a more complicated and risky procedure than the original operation and at present the poster is not willing to consider it, which is understandable considering the drastic change it has brought about with regards to weight loss. I agree 100% though, if it was me I'd definitely be considering having it reversed and then maintain the weight loss through a lifestyle change.


fflattliner - You're going to have to experiment I think. Start with eggs and see how they go down. Maybe you'll need to slowly introduce the egg yolk, ie/ have a 3 egg omelette (or however many your stomach can accommodate) with one yolk (or half a yoke), then do that for awhile, then add in a whole yolk, or two yolks even and see how it goes. Try to build up to leaving all the yolks in.

Then I'd probably try oily fish like sardines or salmon. At some point you'll probably have to try eating something again and again that at first does not stay down to see if your new digestive system can learn to accommodate things.


This article looked interesting - http://www.livestrong.com/article/291936-easily-digested-foods-to-eat-after-a-gastric-bypass/


The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 05:21:13 PM »
I came here looking for help with a few questions. I didn't realize I would be judged based on a medical procedure I NEEDED to have because all the dieting and working out didn't work for me no matter how strict I followed. Not everyone is born with the ability to just watch what they eat and be 120 pounds. It doesn't work that way.

It is obvious to me that none of you have ever been obese, and you do not know very much about obesity. I came here because you all live this life-style and feel that it's best to ask questions to those that live it. I know about being obese, dieting, working out, loosing weight, lifestyle changes, and will-power. Apparently, I've come to the wrong people to ask questions.

In a way, I'm glad I had the opportunity to be an obese person because it forced me to become the person I am today. When you are obese, you have to win people over with a personality, humor, and by being a genuinely decent person because you cant get by on looks. It's a shame that there are so many people that have never cultivated a personality. Unbeknownst to many, a personality is something that takes daily work also.

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 05:31:56 PM »
Some of the replies above are genuinely helpful, and I wouldn't let the implied criticisms of the others get to you.  There are all kinds of people on this board-- from the really hardcore afficionados, all the way to people (like me) who are following the paleo way of eating a little less religiously. Bottom line is that any paleo changes you make to your diet, within the boundaries set by the procedure that you have had, will be of benefit. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.  Please don't let the actions of a few well-meaning but insensitive posters stop you from accessing the huge amount of experience and good will that is here on the forum. 
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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 05:31:56 PM »