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Offline samjohn

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 05:54:02 PM »
I tried to be helpful!

Not everyone is born with the ability to just watch what they eat

Everyone born with free will is born with the ability to watch what they eat.
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 08:24:00 PM »
Did you even read what I wrote? I don't know why I bother, to be honest.

Not everyone is born with the ability to just watch what they eat(...). It doesn't work that way.

See, that's were you lost us. We all think we were born with precisely that ability. That's part of what makes paleo work: that humans are born with the ability to self-regulate (eat when hungry, then stop), as long as they eat the food they were intended to eat.

Now when humans eat non-paleo foods, their bodies can't cope as easily, the appetite regulation gets out of whack and all humans get in trouble to different degrees, depending on other factors. In your case, you became obese. Others become diabetic. Others develop self-immune syndromes. Some are just "a few pounds overweight".

Any idiot can get on a treadmill and watch TV and then take great pride in the fact they've exercised.
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Offline Warren Dew

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2012, 10:41:08 PM »
I came here looking for help with a few questions. I didn't realize I would be judged based on a medical procedure I NEEDED to have because all the dieting and working out didn't work for me no matter how strict I followed. Not everyone is born with the ability to just watch what they eat and be 120 pounds. It doesn't work that way.

It is obvious to me that none of you have ever been obese, and you do not know very much about obesity. I came here because you all live this life-style and feel that it's best to ask questions to those that live it. I know about being obese, dieting, working out, loosing weight, lifestyle changes, and will-power. Apparently, I've come to the wrong people to ask questions.

Nobody said anything about willpower.

We have quite a few members who have been obese and have lost enough fat on paleo to be at a very healthy weight. It doesn't require willpower the way calorie restricted diets do because you can eat all the food you want, as long as you stick to paleo food.  Unlike most other diets, paleo does actually work.   By saying that you "needed" to have a gastric bypass, you come across as denying the reality that many of our members know from personal experience to be true, which is why you're getting some negative reactions.

Unfortunately, it sounds like your doctors failed to recommend paleo while you were obese, so you never got a chance to try that path.  Not your fault.  Your doctors recommended a gastric bypass instead, and I don't think you can be blamed for following their advice.  Most of us here think it was bad advice, but that's a problem with your doctors, not with you.

I don't know if paleo will work for you given your modified digestive system.  What I will say, though, is not to make assumptions.  Start with a normal paleo diet of fatty meat, leafy green vegetables, and a little fruit.  See if it works.

If it doesn't, here are some possibilities for concentrating on food that's more highly digestible so you might be able to handle it with less small intestine:

- Try eating meat that is cooked rare so it is easier to digest.  Some of the members here feel that raw fat is easier to digest than cooked fat, as well.

- Eat vegetables that are more bitter so you'll need less of them to maintain the pH balance in your bloodstream.

- You could consider eating dried fruit instead of whole fruit so more will fit in your stomach.  Maybe get some extra vitamin C with it, and be sure to chew it very well so that there's plenty of saliva, which contains the amylase needed to digest carbohydrates, going down with the fruit.  Chew vegetables really thoroughly, too.

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2012, 10:42:49 PM »
Not everyone is born with the ability to just watch what they eat and be 120 pounds. It doesn't work that way.

You (we all) have been failed by the medical - industrial complex.  If that statement is true why do you never see obese animals in the wild?  Wild dogs, cats, pumas, mountain lions, horses, sheep, tigers are not obese. Sure there are some animals like elephants and hippos that are naturally large animals they are never overweight or obese.  It's only when domesticated and fed crap do they become overweight.

Today going to the store I drove by my old high school. 5 girls, 15 or 16, were walking down the street. 4 of them were overweight.   When I graduated from that high school there were perhaps 4 overweight girls in the entire school (grades 9 thru 12).  When I was in high school it would be a girl's worst nightmare to be just 10 pounds overweight. Now it's the new normal.



I am not criticizing you but the medical industrial complex that put you in your situation.   Several people have made suggestions on what to eat. 

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 02:55:30 PM »
I came here looking for help with a few questions. I didn't realize I would be judged based on a medical procedure I NEEDED to have because all the dieting and working out didn't work for me no matter how strict I followed. Not everyone is born with the ability to just watch what they eat and be 120 pounds. It doesn't work that way.

It is obvious to me that none of you have ever been obese, and you do not know very much about obesity. I came here because you all live this life-style and feel that it's best to ask questions to those that live it. I know about being obese, dieting, working out, loosing weight, lifestyle changes, and will-power. Apparently, I've come to the wrong people to ask questions.

In a way, I'm glad I had the opportunity to be an obese person because it forced me to become the person I am today. When you are obese, you have to win people over with a personality, humor, and by being a genuinely decent person because you cant get by on looks. It's a shame that there are so many people that have never cultivated a personality. Unbeknownst to many, a personality is something that takes daily work also.

You make too many assumptions. I have been obese, and I know a number of other board members have been too. I went from obese to normal weight in less than a year by following the advice of the experienced and helpful members on this board. If you want to learn, you need to open your mind to the possibility that some of the things you "know" may not be true.

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 04:56:38 PM »
+1 Jean!
No expectations, no disappointments!

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Re: Gastric Bypass and Caveman
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 04:56:38 PM »