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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2009, 10:45:33 AM »
Amen to that, Warren!!

Sarah, wow, that's quite a story!! 

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2009, 11:50:18 AM »
ok, I am feeling kind of weird now. Am I the only one who used to eat in fast food chains 1-2 times a week?  :o


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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2009, 11:50:56 AM »

Sarah, wow, that's quite a story!! 

Yeah, scary huh? The trip was still fun though - it was also the first time I ever saw the ocean. Which was amazing! I hadn't thought about that trip for a long time. But now I'm starting to think that it probably influenced me a lot more than I've ever realized - thinking about the way I view fast food, health, and considering how much time I now spend at the beach. There is nothing quite like a day at the beach.  ;D

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2009, 12:22:32 PM »
ok, I am feeling kind of weird now. Am I the only one who used to eat in fast food chains 1-2 times a week?  :o
At one point I was eating at Burger King 5-10 times a week, so you're not the only one.

I certainly don't miss it, though.  The bun tasted like styrofoam, and after they started removing the fish oil from the fish to make it taste less "fishy", that tasted like cardboard.  It just happened to be the only place to eat near where I worked when I worked late.

It does seem there are few here who live in big urban areas, perhaps because it's more difficult to stay paleo when grocery stores and restaurants are the only realistic source of most food.

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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2009, 02:00:00 PM »
The problem with that theory, pc701, is that it's exactly eating staple crops grown by farmers that has caused most people in America to be overweight

Grains contain lots of highly insulinogenic starch, and very little gut filling soluble fiber.  As a result, eating grain based foods causes insulin induced hunger, which tends to cause people to eat more and more, since the grain based foods don't have the bulk to fill up on.  The result?  A 30% obesity rate.

For a video with more scientific details, see:

http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?topic=1446.0


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« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2009, 02:08:09 PM »
I think that most of these people who have diabeties and heart attacks are overweight...I have not fact checked it but hey, most people in america are, arent they? (overweight)

again, eating staple crops that farmers grow  will NOT give you heart attacks and diabeties unless you eat too often and too much, and also if you dont excercise...this is common sense...One could say that americans are the most unhealthy people/country...and i would argue that it's not becuase they specifically EAT these staple crops from agricultrural societies, but because they OVEREAT them.

it's incorrect to associate heart attacks and diabieties with staple crops....but of simply overeating I would argue.(along with lack of excercise obviously)
One of the problems you seem to be overlooking is that the people who are "overeating" the "staple crops" have very little control in not overeating them. I had trouble not overeating them. I would eat rice, bread, grains, pasta, potatoes, etc... until I felt like I was going to explode and still not be able to stop myself.I had prepare a specific portion and not anymore. I would crave them continuously after eating. I exercised a LOT! I'm sure I was in danger of cardiac disease.

You still haven't answered my question?
Why are you on a Paleo forum and bashing Paleo eating?  ???  ::) What's the motivation?

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2009, 04:50:31 PM »
hello, just some comments

I went on the paleo diet (i was not overweight 5,11 155lbs) and found it hard sticking to it. My whole point here is that one should eat what one wants to eat ...and i KNOW that people hate being on this diet because they miss all the foods that they ate for most of their life that are the mainstay in multiple cultures/societies (corn,potaotes,dairy,sugar bread.etc).

What i would recommend to people is eat what you want ,your taste buds are an indication of what you need for your body i believe..If you dislike eating salads and eating meat everyday then DONT DO IT.

TRY THIS/HOW ABOUT THIS:...EAT ANY FOODS YOU LIKE BUT JUST EAT ONE MEAL A DAY AND AT NIGHT...along with...INTERMITTENT FASTING/FASTING ...say 2-3 days a week (for people who want to loose weight perhaps or just for those who want a change)

TIP: i believe paleo hunters only really did eat at night/past noon with the fire and meat roasting and 1 meal a day and not at least 3 meals a day like most people do. also, they intermittently fasted (they did not catch game/meat everyday right...)

Just my comments and opinion.



It all depends on your health circumstances and your INCENTIVEs.

My INCENTIVE was that I was very very sick in 2005.  I did my detoxes and many health protocols but I did not feel like I've taken off in terms of total health. 

I took note and found out about RAW.

Unfortunately most RAW information was about veganism.

So I did try raw vegan and only lasted 2 months.

I tried raw fruitarian and only lasted 2 months.

I added raw fish and raw egg yolks to my raw fruitarianism to make it wai diet and I felt instantly better!  I did this for 3 months until I got bored of sea food and looked at land animal meats.

I read Aajonus Vonderplanitz and in his books and articles wrote solid convincing logic that RAW MEAT is DA BOMB!  I stumbled onto Geoff Purcell at All Experts and he personally answered my questions on how to transition to eating raw land animals - raw beef, raw chicken, raw goat, raw lamb... Boom! My health skyrocketed to greater heights I never thought possible.

It's all in the incentive.  I'm not 1.6 years into raw paleo diet and I'm not looking back.  I'm in the best health I have ever been in my entire life (I'm 40).

The adjustment was of course "hard"... I do all the shopping... expensive... but it is worth it.


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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2009, 06:11:30 PM »
ok, I am feeling kind of weird now. Am I the only one who used to eat in fast food chains 1-2 times a week?  :o

I used to eat fast food several times a week so no, you are not alone. 

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« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2009, 07:30:55 PM »
To Warren Dew: while it's defentaily true that staple crops can easily make you gain weight,...I went on the paleo diet and lost weight so i know that they can  easily cause gaining weight and become overweight...but if one just reduces the amount of food you eat, and eating less often...common sense will tell you that you are bound to loose weight and not become overweight. You dont have to be no scientist to figure that out

This link to a lecture by Gary Taubes has been posted on this forum before but I'm thinking you probably haven't seen it. I think it would be a good thing for you to watch. It will explain to you why calories or lack of exercise are not the most important things related to health and obesity. It's the types of food people eat.

http://www.dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2009, 09:46:01 PM »
I came on this forum to give people an alternative, to those people who perhaps  will probably get off this diet since they dislike the way they feel and the food they eat. (and there defenatily people out there who do)


I wouldnt say im "bashing" paleo...If you like paleo then great, but if you dont ,for whatever reason, then it's probably just not the diet for you I believe (we do have different body types by the way)
I would say that you are. When you come on a forum with a common focus and diligently promote an alternative viewpoint it sure comes across as bashing.

If you want to promote your alternative viewpoint start your own web page and forum. It's as simple as that.

I'm a hunter purely motivated for food. I could care less about trophy animals other than I want to know I am taking a mature animal that has had ample opportunity to spread his seed therefore doing my part in helping maintain genetic diversity.

I wouldn't go on a PETA web site and tote the benefits of game meat for nutrition or justify taking trophy animals because it will give immature animals a chance to grow up and spread their seed or shooting a twin elk calf because it will greatly increase the chances the cow elk has of raising the other calf to adulthood.

That would be bashing what they stand for. They don't want to hear it!

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2009, 02:55:56 AM »
PC701, I don't understand what you are promoting. It sounds a bit like you believe in Calorie Restriction? There are forums for that which you might like to join.

But from what I understand of Calorie Restriction diets, they still don't eat much grain because if calories are extremely limited, then you can't waste valuable calories on basically empty foods like grain. So that doesn't sound like what you are doing. You are saying you just eat pizza and pasta in one meal at night, and don't eat anything all day, right? That sounds to me like a very unhealthy diet. I personally don't think eating bad food in one meal rather than three meals per day sounds like much of an improvement. If you are just filling up on empty calories of grain, and eating only one meal per day, then you are going to be severely limited in your nutrients. Have you tried the Cron-o-meter? It is a nutritional calculator. Here it is:

http://www.spaz.ca/cronometer

You download it, and enter your food for the day, and it shows you if you are lacking in nutrients. It will also tell you your omega-3 and omega-6 levels, as well as macronutrient ratios.
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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2009, 05:22:49 AM »
I think that most of these people who have diabeties and heart attacks are overweight...I have not fact checked it but hey, most people in america are, arent they? (overweight)

again, eating staple crops that farmers grow  will NOT give you heart attacks and diabeties unless you eat too often and too much, and also if you dont excercise...this is common sense...One could say that americans are the most unhealthy people/country...and i would argue that it's not becuase they specifically EAT these staple crops from agricultrural societies, but because they OVEREAT them.

it's incorrect to associate heart attacks and diabieties with staple crops....but of simply overeating I would argue.(along with lack of excercise obviously)

Well, I think the problem is that you haven't fact checked anything.  The Paleo WOE is backed by quite a bit of research.  You are simply stating what you do and then say, "It's a fact that."  You aren't stating facts, you're stating opinion. 

When was your last physical?  What were the results?  How long have you been eating only one meal a day?  How long have you been fasting 14 days a month.  What were your starting blood glucose and cholesterol levels?  What are they now?  What do you do to keep active?  Can you give us a sample meal plan?  Can you back up your theory with unbiased research?

It's not a fact if it can't be proven using scientific method.

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2009, 05:47:48 AM »
We finally convinced my parents to take us to McDonalds. So there we are sitting in the back of the suburban eating our happy meals. I remember that it tasted terrible. The car was silent as we tried to get down the food we had pleaded to have. Perhaps I shouldn't use the word "food" because our bodies certainly didn't recognize it as food and our tummies rejected it before I could even finish the burger. There we were - a cute little family on vacation - all of us throwing up in the McDonalds parking lot. We of course never asked for fast food again.

This story has a slightly more sinister bent than one would first think. Equate it to arsenic, which you can build up a tolerance to.

Paleo is the only diet I know that you can switch to with no lead in period, and not feel any nausea or sickness. You might get some low energy as your body learns  (relearns) to use fat as fuel, but that is pretty much it. Then if you are on this for awhile, you lose all your tolerance to the usual dietary poisons the general populace eats. Which is why most don't bother with cheats, we have no tolerance for the poison, so it just makes us feel sick.

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« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2009, 08:41:42 AM »
We finally convinced my parents to take us to McDonalds. So there we are sitting in the back of the suburban eating our happy meals. I remember that it tasted terrible. The car was silent as we tried to get down the food we had pleaded to have. Perhaps I shouldn't use the word "food" because our bodies certainly didn't recognize it as food and our tummies rejected it before I could even finish the burger. There we were - a cute little family on vacation - all of us throwing up in the McDonalds parking lot. We of course never asked for fast food again.

This story has a slightly more sinister bent than one would first think. Equate it to arsenic, which you can build up a tolerance to.

Paleo is the only diet I know that you can switch to with no lead in period, and not feel any nausea or sickness. You might get some low energy as your body learns  (relearns) to use fat as fuel, but that is pretty much it. Then if you are on this for awhile, you lose all your tolerance to the usual dietary poisons the general populace eats. Which is why most don't bother with cheats, we have no tolerance for the poison, so it just makes us feel sick.

Just to clarify - are you saying my story is sinister and like arsenic? At first this is what I thought but then you explained why we got sick in the next paragraph by eating "poisons the general populace eats". I'm definitely not trying to start any problems I'm just a little confused.

Sinister is originally a Latin term for left or to the left (and by extension, left-handedness), and is used in heraldry to refer to the left of the bearer of the arms, and to the right by the viewer's eyes. It is often used to mean evil.

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2009, 08:48:20 AM »
We finally convinced my parents to take us to McDonalds. So there we are sitting in the back of the suburban eating our happy meals. I remember that it tasted terrible. The car was silent as we tried to get down the food we had pleaded to have. Perhaps I shouldn't use the word "food" because our bodies certainly didn't recognize it as food and our tummies rejected it before I could even finish the burger. There we were - a cute little family on vacation - all of us throwing up in the McDonalds parking lot. We of course never asked for fast food again.

This story has a slightly more sinister bent than one would first think. Equate it to arsenic, which you can build up a tolerance to.

Paleo is the only diet I know that you can switch to with no lead in period, and not feel any nausea or sickness. You might get some low energy as your body learns  (relearns) to use fat as fuel, but that is pretty much it. Then if you are on this for awhile, you lose all your tolerance to the usual dietary poisons the general populace eats. Which is why most don't bother with cheats, we have no tolerance for the poison, so it just makes us feel sick.

Just to clarify - are you saying my story is sinister and like arsenic? At first this is what I thought but then you explained why we got sick in the next paragraph by eating "poisons the general populace eats". I'm definitely not trying to start any problems I'm just a little confused.

Sinister is originally a Latin term for left or to the left (and by extension, left-handedness), and is used in heraldry to refer to the left of the bearer of the arms, and to the right by the viewer's eyes. It is often used to mean evil.

My apologies. Your story highlights a very disturbing occurrence, which is the fact that many people eat poison every day, but don't realise because they are so used to it now.