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I used to do paleo but quit
« on: August 26, 2009, 05:00:40 PM »
hello, just some comments

I went on the paleo diet (i was not overweight 5,11 155lbs) and found it hard sticking to it. My whole point here is that one should eat what one wants to eat ...and i KNOW that people hate being on this diet because they miss all the foods that they ate for most of their life that are the mainstay in multiple cultures/societies (corn,potaotes,dairy,sugar bread.etc).

What i would recommend to people is eat what you want ,your taste buds are an indication of what you need for your body i believe..If you dislike eating salads and eating meat everyday then DONT DO IT.

TRY THIS/HOW ABOUT THIS:...EAT ANY FOODS YOU LIKE BUT JUST EAT ONE MEAL A DAY AND AT NIGHT...along with...INTERMITTENT FASTING/FASTING ...say 2-3 days a week (for people who want to loose weight perhaps or just for those who want a change)

TIP: i believe paleo hunters only really did eat at night/past noon with the fire and meat roasting and 1 meal a day and not at least 3 meals a day like most people do. also, they intermittently fasted (they did not catch game/meat everyday right...)

Just my comments and opinion.


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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2009, 06:03:15 PM »
What i would recommend to people is eat what you want ,your taste buds are an indication of what you need for your body i believe..

The millions upon millions of diabetics in the world would tend to suggest that idea is completely and utterly wrong.

Though I am convinced of the efficacy of intermittent fasting, if the one meal you eat is absolutely crap, then you don't have a hope.


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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009, 07:09:30 PM »
My whole point is this: ...What if the average say overweight or obese american were to just simply eat 1 meal a day within a 4 hour time frame Preferable after noon/ 6PM and intermittently fast throught every month and still eat whatever they want/ eat the foods they LIKE! and not DISLIKE!?    

 In my opinion: they would probably loose alot of weight and become healthy again....

   This message just goes out to those who have a hard time being on a Diet (in this case the Paelo diet) and want an alternative ...

   Oh and to those paleo eaters who dont fast...Guess what, a hunter didnt come home to his cave with meat in his hand everyday ya know.

 just my thoughts...
Fasting is well established in the community.

I guess this life style isn't for you, but I don't agree with all of your comments, most of the things that you are saying are crazy. It is because of their taste buds that there are so many obese people. Also, just because you lose weight it does not mean you are healthy.

It's fine that this life style is not for you, but you can't go around giving dieting advices, specially if they don't make sense. BTW, I am a noob in the diet, but even if I quit, I would recognize how this could help many people.

And come on, how hard is it to stick to a diet with all the steaks you want?
« Last Edit: August 26, 2009, 07:11:26 PM by ajmesa »

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2009, 08:47:19 PM »
To each their own. I have to ask, why come on a paleo forum and post against paleo eating?

I have been a mostly plain food plan for many years. For me to switch to Paleo I simply exchanged more fruits and veggies for breads and grains. I then removed the unessentials; chocolate, desserts, pastries, etc... Dairy has been out, I'm lactose intolerant. I didn't/don't drink alcohol.

Since switching to Paleo I have noticed a dramatic improvement in my rate of recovery and my overall energy levels. My rate of recovery is better now at 42 than it was 10 or even 20 yrs. ago. I have been an elite athlete most of my life and all of my adult life. 

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2009, 09:23:01 PM »
well my advice does make sense...eat less and you will loose weight and be more healthy  ..its a proven fact. Yes the Paleo diet will make most people loose weight and for some may improve overall health ...but My main argument is not going on a strict diet which i believe the Paleo diet is, but to eat less which in turn you should loose weight and gain health...theres a correlation i think between them.

For someone pushing intermittent fasting, you seem to know very little about it. All the studies done on intermittent fasting involved the two groups eating the same amount of food over the course of a 48hr period.

Moreover eating less and subsequently losing weight is not by any means a proven fact. There are many people out there starving themselves and exercising no end, yet not losing weight. This is documented.

Nor is the paleo diet strict by any means. Really the only things most of us avoid are wheat, potato and refined sugars. 

Yes meat and fish make up a lot of the diet, but so do vegetables and fruit. I enjoy every meal I eat now, and feel great after it. I have got my mother on it now too, and she does not like red meat, but we are finding great meals to make for her.


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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2009, 09:34:45 PM »
pc701,

I don't consider this a diet, because diets are something you do temporarily to lose weight. Many people here do it for health and weight loss is an added benefit. Wlfdg can give a testimony to that.

Eating what you want is not good advice. My boss 30 years ago had a teenage son that ate mostly candy, potato chips and Coke. His breakfast was a large Coke and two candy bars. He was eating what he wanted, he wasn't overweight.  He had to quit high school in his junior year. He was diagnosed with Paranoid schizophrenia. Before that he was a rising star in local high school baseball and everyone was sure he would be drafted by a major league team in the Amateur Draft his senior year. My boss had wondered if his son's all sugar diet had caused his condition.  

However, paleo is not for everyone and you may find something more to your liking. But, your first post when you registered June 2008 was to complain about paleo and tell us about the Homo Optimal Diet. All you posts since then have been complaints about paleo.



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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2009, 09:56:01 PM »
Eating what you want is not good advice. My boss 30 years ago had a teenage son that ate mostly candy, potato chips and Coke. His breakfast was a large Coke and two candy bars. He was eating what he wanted, he wasn't overweight.  He had to quit high school in his junior year. He was diagnosed with Paranoid schizophrenia. Before that he was a rising star in local high school baseball and everyone was sure he would be drafted by a major league team in the Amateur Draft his senior year. My boss had wondered if his son's all sugar diet had caused his condition.

There is zero evidence to suggest a link between paranoid schizophrenia and high sugar diet, there is close to zero anecdotal evidence also. What a strange anecdote to pick to illustrate your point...

The hundreds of millions of diabetics in Brazil, China, America and pretty much every other country you can think of stand testament to the fact that eating whatever you want is unhealthy, and advising people to do so is both idiotic and dangerous.

The millions of heart attacks suffered each year pound home the same point.

Advising people to 'Letting your tastebuds rule your food choices' is uneducated and stupid, especially when we are all bombarded day in day out with advertising telling us that refined sugar and processed carbs taste great.


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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2009, 10:16:04 PM »
well it is possible to loose weight and stay thin and still obey your taste bud/ go for the foods you want to eat, theres no doubt about that.  YES! Didn't you read my last comment about steak?

well my advice does make sense...eat less and you will loose weight and be more healthy  ..its a proven fact. Wait what? No is not proven, refer to http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?topic=1446.0 and you will see that weight lose depends on hormones (like insulin) and not on caloric balance, the body will just lower its metabolism if you don't supply enough cals, and you will stunt growth, development, recovery, etc. That's why so many diets fail, and the ones that don't fail is because the carbs were lowered along with the calories, keep the same amount of carbs and lower the calories and you won't do much

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2009, 10:44:48 PM »
What i would recommend to people is eat what you want ,your taste buds are an indication of what you need for your body i believe..
I'd be eating pizza all day. Wait...is pizza paleo?? Nooo?? Hell, how can I live without??


  Oh and to those paleo eaters who dont fast...Guess what, a hunter didnt come home to his cave with meat in his hand everyday ya know.
Calm down, IF is NOT compulsory. It is not a necessary requirement.
Some people don't do well with IF, we are not equal, the logics that works for you may not work for someone else.


Besides, if you know all this "truth", why did you leave paleo?
« Last Edit: August 26, 2009, 10:46:35 PM by PaleoRainy »

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2009, 06:45:25 AM »
well it is possible to loose weight and stay thin and still obey your taste bud/ go for the foods you want to eat, theres no doubt about that.

well my advice does make sense...eat less and you will loose weight and be more healthy  ..its a proven fact. Yes the Paleo diet will make most people loose weight and for some may improve overall health ...but My main argument is not going on a strict diet which i believe the Paleo diet is, but to eat less which in turn you should loose weight and gain health...theres a correlation i think between them.

Hey some may like eating steaks and meat everyday, but I sure dont and I sure dont think the majority do too...what i see on these forums is alot of egg and meat eating...which seems like  their the Paleo eaters "bread and butter" per se. When i went on this diet I sure felt tired of eating similar foods everyday. It is hard to mix your food intake when you restrict the foods your allowed to eat.

For me, it's not so much that one can eat what one wants and lose weight.  But, then again, the point of eating this way isn't to lose weight, but to remain healthy.  Please understand that this is coming from someone who would eat a Crossanwich and hash browns for breakfast, a Big Mac and supersize fries for lunch, an entire pizza for dinner, a large bag of Doritos for a snack, all washed down with two to four litres of Coca-cola throughout the day.  Oh, and don't forget the Snickers and Butterfinger candy bars for snacks.  Even eating that way, I was never morbidly obese.  However, I was so out of shape that I couldn't climb two flights of stairs without being a little winded and, at age 44, my body was in a pre-diabetic condition.  I was also in severe danger of heart disease that could have ended my life.

That's what I ate because my tastebuds told me to eat that way.  It might very well have killed me.  Menís Health Magazine has some great articles on the nutritional value of fast foods.  When I was eating what my tastebuds told me to eat, I would think nothing of walking into Coldstone Creamery and ordering a Gotta Have It PB&C shake.  That one shake is 2010 calories, which is more than a dozen ice cream sandwiches, and has more saturated fat than 20 large orders of McDonaldís fries.
 
Your body, even at rest, has nutritional requirements.  Eating processed foods is not going to provide those nutritional requirements and the additives and preservatives have proven, time and time again, to cause debilitating illnesses.  The reason we crave those things is because, somewhere along the line, our bodies came to associate pizza and pasta with an intake of certain nutrients such as protein and carbohydrates.  The reason we overeat is because we need to eat more of the junk to get that minimal amount of nutients.  So, your assertion that eating what you want to eat is healthy is simply not true.

While it is true that you can eat less and lose weight, it is not necessarily a healthy alternative.  Certainly,  someone who works at a desk and goes home to sit on the couch and never exerts themselves beyond a shuffle to the fridge or a ride to the burger joint (not recommended if you want to be active past 50) can survive on less calories than someone who is active.  And, they might even be in relatively good health if they eat properly and donít open the box of Bon Bons while watching TV.  However, some of the healthiest people I know do insane workouts and consume close to 5000 calories a day.

While it may be true that our ancestors lived in a feast or famine environment, I donít think itís necessarily true that they went without food for days at a time.  If the spear chuckers didnít bring down some game, then the fish whackers probably got some salmon.  Itís one of the benefits of living in a tribal society where resources are shared for the benefit of the community.
Also, the Paleo way of eating is hardly strict and never restrictive in terms of the quantity and quality of nutritious foods.  Itís not even time consuming, if you plan your meals well and the benefits are well worth ignoring the mouth-watering scents pumped into the food court at the mall.  Also, itís been my experience that Doctors restrict the intake of dairy and grains the moment their patients complain of digestive problems.  Seems to me there must be a correlation there.

But, as others have said, if you donít see the benefits then this lifestyle probably isnít for you.

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2009, 12:03:56 PM »
I went on the paleo diet (i was not overweight 5,11 155lbs) and found it hard sticking to it.
I know what you mean.  Paleo was difficult for me to stick to too, for the first week or two.

After the first couple weeks, though, it just got easier and easier.  For some people it takes a bit longer, so it can take a little of willpower at the beginning.

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2009, 12:22:02 PM »
To each their own. I have to ask, why come on a paleo forum and post against paleo eating?

I have been a mostly plain food plan for many years. For me to switch to Paleo I simply exchanged more fruits and veggies for breads and grains. I then removed the unessentials; chocolate, desserts, pastries, etc... Dairy has been out, I'm lactose intolerant. I didn't/don't drink alcohol.

Since switching to Paleo I have noticed a dramatic improvement in my rate of recovery and my overall energy levels. My rate of recovery is better now at 42 than it was 10 or even 20 yrs. ago. I have been an elite athlete most of my life and all of my adult life. 
P.S.- The most amazing benefit I have received from eating Paleo is that after a lifetime of struggling and compensating with exercise induced asthma I am now  SYMPTOM FREE!

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2009, 05:10:45 PM »
i went on the paleo about 1 year ago and was severly tired..anyways...Now that i eat less 1 meal a day, and fast occasionally, I actually have  more energy than what i used to do which is eat at least 3 meals a day like most people say to do...

yes to each his own....

How long did you try the paleo diet?

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2009, 05:41:16 PM »
hello, just some comments

I went on the paleo diet (i was not overweight 5,11 155lbs) and found it hard sticking to it. My whole point here is that one should eat what one wants to eat ...and i KNOW that people hate being on this diet because they miss all the foods that they ate for most of their life that are the mainstay in multiple cultures/societies (corn,potaotes,dairy,sugar bread.etc).

What i would recommend to people is eat what you want ,your taste buds are an indication of what you need for your body i believe..If you dislike eating salads and eating meat everyday then DONT DO IT.

TRY THIS/HOW ABOUT THIS:...EAT ANY FOODS YOU LIKE BUT JUST EAT ONE MEAL A DAY AND AT NIGHT...along with...INTERMITTENT FASTING/FASTING ...say 2-3 days a week (for people who want to loose weight perhaps or just for those who want a change)

TIP: i believe paleo hunters only really did eat at night/past noon with the fire and meat roasting and 1 meal a day and not at least 3 meals a day like most people do. also, they intermittently fasted (they did not catch game/meat everyday right...)

Just my comments and opinion.


Your logic doesn't make sense to me. This sounds like a quick way to poor health. I understand the idea of eating only one meal a day at night. I don't do that personally but it does make sense but ONLY if you eat long burning foods that do not spike your blood sugar.

The best long burning fuel foods are high quality animal fats and meats. I believe this could get you comfortably through the day. But by "eating whatever you want" sounds like you are eating a large amount of high carb, low nutrient foods that spike your blood sugar which will cause insulin problems. This type of eating will also put your body into survival mode where it learns to store this sugar as fat on your body for reserves.

I also don't understand how eating only one time per day can fit in with our cultures/societies more than eating paleo foods when hungry? For example if you are asked to have lunch with someone do you go and eat nothing because it's not within your one meal time?

I don't hate the way I eat! Actually I love the way I eat. You seem pretty stuck on your idea but I'll take you coming a posting on this forum as a cry for encouragement to better health. So I encourage you to give paleo another try - and give it at least a month for your body to adjust to burning fat as apposed to burning carbs. Once you are burning fat as your fuel you will have more energy than you do now but it's likely the first couple of weeks you'll be tired as your body adjusts and craves its rush of sugar. This can be a hard adjustment for many because this sugar rush affects people like a drug.

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Re: I used to do paleo but quit
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2009, 06:32:39 PM »
bread/wheat or rice or potatoes or corn...these foods are defentely not poor nutrition foods...it's a fact.

and what do you mean by "long burning fuel foods" ...I along with most people get lots of energy by eating bread rice or corn and even more  if one adds a little dairy and/or meat..........please explain....

I am starting to think this guy is just trolling for a reaction...