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weight loss question
« on: September 09, 2011, 11:33:01 AM »
So I'm fairly athletic. I lift weights every 5 days (full body), I study martial arts (varied intensity throughout the week, ie there is class and home practice etc), play baseball and golf (not particularly high impact), do HIIT training on a heavy bag, and jumprope frequently.

As for diet, I'd feel comfortable eating with y'all at your place or mine. While I cheat once in a while with a bit of cream (in my coffee in the morning), I'm eating meat (whole meat, not processed, minus the occasional sausage), lots of veg, and that is really it. I stay off fruit, I'm very low carb. Oh, and I'm a type 1 diabetic (hence the low carb, no fruit).

So the diet is great. My first three months I lost 14kg/30lbs from 103kg/230lbs. And that is it. Done. Nothing. For the past 4 or 5 months, my weight hasn't shifted more than a half kilo up or down, and that is usually a matter of the day. Now, ok, fine, so weight is stable. But my beer belly (don't drink beer any more - though I always liked wine better anyway) is still there. Slighter than before the diet, but pretty consistent for the past 4 months. I'm not fat anymore, but I'm not slim either.

And while I've bulked up a little bit with muscle, I still haven't noticed the remnants of my belly disappearing. Ideas?

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Re: weight loss question
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2011, 04:08:37 PM »
Kravi, i'm new to this forum like you, but i've been reading blogs, books, and studies for a year and a half.

What it sounds like is you've got a case of over training, i'd suggest taking AT LEAST one extra day of rest in between those 5 days.

Doing 5 days of full body workouts has gotta be taking it's toll on you, the body NEEDS rest, it needs relaxation...more than you know.

I used to be in the same position as you, except i was running a lot, i kept the gut in the front... try what I know would work for you...

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Keys-Progress-John-McCallum/dp/0926888013/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315609574&sr=8-1

^In that book (i'm reading it now) there is a chapter called "the definition diet" it's basically NOTHING BUT MEAT and seafood untill you drop that weight, it will cut all of that weight off GUARANTEED.^

If it interests you I could write out the whole thing for you, or you could pick up the book.

Best wishes and good luck :)


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Re: weight loss question
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2011, 05:49:17 PM »
I'd add in one day of IF a week

Aside from that, make sure (if you're not doing already) that your meat is fatty rather than lean :)

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2011, 07:33:35 PM »
As a type 1 diabetic, you cannot rely on your body to do the fine tuning of insulin levels as most people on paleo can.  That means you will need to reduce your insulin doses manually, to the lowest levels that will keep your blood glucose in a safe range.  Don't insist on the low end of the range, either.  You may need to reduce your insulin use several times as you body becomes more adjusted to paleo.

If you are using an insulin pump, be aware that type 1 diabetics on both paleo and other low carb diets have difficulty getting most of the benefits of those diets while on an insulin pump.  You may have to give up the pump if you are using one.

To give you an idea of how little insulin you might eventually need, one member of the forum who had type 1 diabetes was eventually able to reduce her insulin use to only 2-3 units of lantus per day, with an insulin to carbohydrate ratio of 1:50:

http://cavemanforum.com/diet-and-nutrition/insulin-and-paleo/msg13954/#msg13954

You may not be able to reduce your insulin quite that much, but it should give you some confidence that reductions are possible.

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Re: weight loss question
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2011, 06:27:44 AM »
Thanks for the responses, I'm afraid there was some misunderstanding (due to my lack of clarity).

I lift weights once every five days. That is I will lift on a Tuesday, followed by Sunday, followed by Friday, etc. This is certainly not too much training. There is a 4 day gap between weight lifting for recovery :)

So far, my insulin usage is about a third of what it used to be. I hope that as I gain muscle mass that my dosage will continue to diminish due to my insulin resistance decreasing.

As for the make sure that your meat is fatty and not lean, please go away. That comment comes from the depth of your fanaticism about fat, and has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. I eat fat, you freaks, when it is on the meat. I don't avoid it, but I don't seek it out either. Go away! I mean, if someone said "hmmm, this is a good cup of coffee" would you respond "you need to eat lots of fat while drinking coffee"? Or maybe "Seinfeld is funnier when you are eating meat fat"?

Thanks for (most of) the responses, folks,

--Me


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Re: weight loss question
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2011, 07:10:49 AM »

As for the make sure that your meat is fatty and not lean, please go away. That comment comes from the depth of your fanaticism about fat, and has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. I eat fat, you freaks, when it is on the meat. I don't avoid it, but I don't seek it out either. Go away! I mean, if someone said "hmmm, this is a good cup of coffee" would you respond "you need to eat lots of fat while drinking coffee"? Or maybe "Seinfeld is funnier when you are eating meat fat"?

Well, sorry for trying to help.  A lot of people who start paleo *do* avoid animal fats after reading literature that recommends lean meat, which is why a lot of us tend to make the the point about meat with fat.

As for having nothing to do with the conversation at hand, the general prevailing opinion seems to be that minimising insulin production (or requirements in your case) is the best way to lose weight, and fat is the least insulinogenic of the macronutrients.  Personally I broke a weight loss plateau when going from about 40% protein 40% fat to 30% protein 60% fat.

sincerely,
Freak

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Re: weight loss question
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2011, 10:39:07 AM »
As for the make sure that your meat is fatty and not lean, please go away. That comment comes from the depth of your fanaticism about fat, and has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. I eat fat, you freaks, when it is on the meat. I don't avoid it, but I don't seek it out either. Go away! I mean, if someone said "hmmm, this is a good cup of coffee" would you respond "you need to eat lots of fat while drinking coffee"? Or maybe "Seinfeld is funnier when you are eating meat fat"?

Wow, you just called almost everyone here a freak. Perhaps you should enlighten yourself a bit and consider the advice from people here who have been eating Paleo long enough to know what works and what doesn't. Hurling insults at them isn't going to get you anywhere around here.

You do know that food comes in one of three basic forms; proteins, carbohydrates, and fat, right? If you reduce one of these, you need to increase one of the others, especially if you are not trying to lose weight or if you are trying to bulk up. Being diabetic, you already know that increasing carbs is not an option. But lets look at the three options here:

1. You can eat high protein, medium to low carb, and low fat. This, combined with portion control, is a typical mainstream weight loss diet, which almost always never works in the long-term. In the Paleo world, eating a low carb, low fat Paleo diet is referred to as the "Faileo diet" because you won't be able to stick to it very long. You will also starve to death. If you don't believe me, Google "rabbit starvation".

2. The next option is to eat a low saturated fat, high carb, high protein diet. This is the typical standard American Diet (SAD) that is causing health epidemics and killing people. It is not an option for you or any diabetic, so we'll take it off the table.

3. That leaves the last option, a low carb, high protein, high saturated fat diet. This is what most of us eat here. It works. You will never be hungry, and as celticcavegirl stated, fat is the least insulinogenic of the macronutrients so it will provide your body with ample energy while limiting insulin response.

In today's bizarre food industry, where everyone has been duped into thinking eating lean meat is a necessity (along with plenty of carbs), you will not get enough fat on most of the meat you buy in the supermarket. You will need to add fat to your diet to be successful, especially grass fed beef fat, which is loaded with Omega-3s. If you think you can do Paleo long-term eating lean meat, you are probably in for a SAD disappointment (apologies for the double entendre).  ;)

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Re: weight loss question
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2011, 03:56:53 PM »
Thanks for the responses, I'm afraid there was some misunderstanding (due to my lack of clarity).

I lift weights once every five days. That is I will lift on a Tuesday, followed by Sunday, followed by Friday, etc. This is certainly not too much training. There is a 4 day gap between weight lifting for recovery :)

So far, my insulin usage is about a third of what it used to be. I hope that as I gain muscle mass that my dosage will continue to diminish due to my insulin resistance decreasing.

As for the make sure that your meat is fatty and not lean, please go away. That comment comes from the depth of your fanaticism about fat, and has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. I eat fat, you freaks, when it is on the meat. I don't avoid it, but I don't seek it out either. Go away! I mean, if someone said "hmmm, this is a good cup of coffee" would you respond "you need to eat lots of fat while drinking coffee"? Or maybe "Seinfeld is funnier when you are eating meat fat"?

Thanks for (most of) the responses, folks,

--Me

I do not see the need for you to blow up like that.  Newbies do not understand how much FAT is required of you to eat.

Does your meat look as fat as MY meat?


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Re: weight loss question
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2011, 05:29:33 PM »
As for the make sure that your meat is fatty and not lean, please go away. That comment comes from the depth of your fanaticism about fat, and has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. I eat fat, you freaks, when it is on the meat. I don't avoid it, but I don't seek it out either. Go away! I mean, if someone said "hmmm, this is a good cup of coffee" would you respond "you need to eat lots of fat while drinking coffee"? Or maybe "Seinfeld is funnier when you are eating meat fat"?

How rude! This is like walking into a party and starting off by insulting everybody in sight. Just because we're online doesn't mean basic manners don't matter! -1

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Re: weight loss question
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2011, 05:31:00 PM »
Hey, folks, let's not go overboard here.

We need to remember that kravi is a type 1 diabetic.  That means his pancreas doesn't produce insulin, so his metabolism is going to be different from the average people - or even type 2 diabetics - that show up on the site.

For example, it doesn't really make sense to talk about how insulinogenic a food is with a type 1 diabetic, because no food is insulinogenic for a type 1.  Carbohydrates can still be deadly for them, but kravi has mentioned elsewhere that he's already cut out all substantial sources of carbohydrate for that reason.

Now, I do agree that, at least in the U.S., meat is often trimmed to be leaner than it needs to be, and I certainly get 60%+ of energy intake from fat myself.  I also agree that the "eat more fat" advice is critical for most newbies to counteract the fat phobia that most of them have and to help them regulate their insulin response.  However, this post is about a specific issue for a specific poster, so we should keep in mind the specifics of his situation.

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Re: weight loss question
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2011, 10:27:17 PM »
Warren,

I don't profess to know a lot about Type 1 diabetes, except that I had a very close friend with it, who died at the age of 51.

Seems to me that regardless of where your insulin comes from, whether naturally (from your pancreas) or artificially (from a syringe or a pump), any consumption of anything that raises blood sugar is going to require some sort of insulin response. As I said, take the high carb option off the table in this case because, as you said, it can be fatal to someone with T1 diabetes. So bottom line, if you eliminate carbs, and eat low fat, that only leaves proteins, and that isn't enough to sustain anyone. Wouldn't fat be even more essential to someone who cannot produce insulin and, therefore, cannot eat carbs?

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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2011, 03:08:06 PM »
Are you doing anything to increase omega3 intake right now?