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Liquid paleo diet
« on: August 07, 2013, 07:25:37 PM »
In about a years time, I will be be undergoing  surgery that will require a totally liquid diet for 2-3 weeks, followed by a blended diet for another 3-4 weeks

After the surgery I plan to eat mainly fat and protein.  I'd love to have root veggie soups but as you can't brush your teeth while banded together after the op so I want to keep carbs to an absolute minimum
Green veggies (broccoli and spinach) can be made easily into soup
Mineral will come from bone broth
Fat I plan on getting from drinking yoghurt, cream, olive oil, egg yolk and coconut cream (I will allow more than usual dairy during this time as I am not going to drink liquid lard)
Protein is the tricky part.  Most people eat ensure and protein shakes but that's not an option for me.  I've absolutely loathed every protein shake that I've tried with the exception of this 'isopure' protein drink that is clear and like juice but it's so processed, artificial, flavoured etc.  I also don't want to consume large amounts of whey protein I am thinking I will have to blend up powdered egg protein in some kind of drink.  Raw egg white I would not like to eat when I'm in delicate post-surgery position

Obviously it will be ages until I have the surgery (I have to have a year of braces first to undo the orthodontic work that I got as a kid instead of getting sugery then... ::) >:() but in the meantime, any thoughts are appreciated


PS - I am getting BSSO surgery of the lower jaw and maybe a rotational le fort of the upper jaw, if anyone was wondering
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Re: Liquid paleo diet
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2013, 11:45:50 PM »
I'd go with the egg protein powder in shakes, probably.  Not paleo, but your situation will be kind of extreme.

Okay, I probably just be too chicken to get the surgery, to be honest.


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Re: Liquid paleo diet
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2013, 06:16:28 AM »

Okay, I probably just be too chicken to get the surgery, to be honest.

Yeah it's pretty brutal, I'm trying not to think about it.  But I've broken my nose before so kindof know how it feels to smash up my fac

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Re: Liquid paleo diet
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 01:21:41 PM »
As far as getting protein, I'd use carton egg whites as the liquid base in your smoothies.  You can also add smooth nut butters to your smoothies.  Finally, can you eat chili?  Ground beef, tomato based liquid and puréed veggies might be good.

Best of luck with the surgery!

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Re: Liquid paleo diet
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2013, 07:25:03 PM »
You could pig out on fruit ahead of time to store up some fat, then just avoid eating for a week....


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Re: Liquid paleo diet
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2013, 04:10:52 PM »
You could pig out on fruit ahead of time to store up some fat, then just avoid eating for a week....

Sadly I don't like to have anything other than berries because of the acids.  I have to be super careful with my teeth now and even more so when I'm in braces.   :(    I'd be more likely to pie up with root veggie carbs and dairy.

I'm not concerned with weight loss, or hunger, it's more about looking after my body during the recovery stage.  Most jaw surgery patients lose 5-15 pounds so yes it is recommended to put on a little weight before.  Which I will not be doing as my body is so stubborn that I will take any weight loss means that comes my way!

Do you think raw egg yolks are safe? I am presuming so as I eat soft boiled eggs all the time and never got sick from it

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Re: Liquid paleo diet
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2013, 06:20:09 PM »
Ah, hadn't been thinking about the effect on the teeth.

Yolks are on the inside, so they should be safe unless they get contaminated while removing them from the egg white.  I supposed you could poach the egg to kill any bacteria in the white, then pour out the yolk to drink.

Out of curiousity, if you're willing to say, what is the problem and what was it that childhood orthodontia did to exacerbate it?  The reason I ask is that lots of orthodontics as a child failed to permanently improve my tooth arrangement as well, but a few years after I got my upper wisdom teeth taken out, the teeth straightened out perfectly on their own.  Unfortunately my lower wisdom teeth are impacted, and I never found a dentist willing to take out my second molars so the third molars could grow in to replace them.

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2013, 07:07:13 PM »

Out of curiousity, if you're willing to say, what is the problem and what was it that childhood orthodontia did to exacerbate it?  The reason I ask is that lots of orthodontics as a child failed to permanently improve my tooth arrangement as well, but a few years after I got my upper wisdom teeth taken out, the teeth straightened out perfectly on their own.  Unfortunately my lower wisdom teeth are impacted, and I never found a dentist willing to take out my second molars so the third molars could grow in to replace them.

I have a class 2 div 2 bite ie. a deep overbite and an overjet. Plus a cross bite and a slight posterior open bite as in some of my molars don't meet when I close my bite.  It's skeletal as my mandible is deficient in both the horizontal and vertical dimension.  Usually to fix an overjet the ortho will take out the 2 bicuspids on the top and pull the top teeth in and push the lower teeth out.  This works for mild cases. 

In my case, the deep bite cannot be fixed via orthodontics.  If my incisor relationship was normal in terms of depth I'd have a 4mm gap between the back teeth and you cannot fix this deep bite if it isn't caused by over eruption of incisors or impaction of molars, which in my case it isn't.  I can't pull my molars further up to open the bite as they are fully erupted already.   Also, I still have overjet despite correction.  I had all my first molars taken out top and bottom and my wisdom teeth came through fine after that.  It's uncommon to have molars rather than bicuspids removed but I needed the space and my 1st molars had very thin enamel (which happens if you get sick a lot when they are mineralising, 1-3 years old or so, which I did)

Anyhoo, the result is I still have a deep bite and overjet and I've got gum recession on the lower incisors because after orthodontics they not in the ideal place in the jawbone and I could well lose them at a far earlier age than I otherwise would.  To fix it they have to move all the teeth back to their original positions to create more of an overjet and then move the jaws - a BSSO on the lower to move it forward and maybe a Le fort 1 on the upper to move it back and posterior rotation to lengthen.  I really need more length in the mandible ramus (the vertical part) but it's not possible as the masseter muscle is so strong it just pushes the bones back to where they were

Warren if a dentist won't take out your second molars I am sure you can just have your impacted wisdom teeth taken out instead if they're bothering you?  It's done all the time....

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Re: Liquid paleo diet
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2013, 10:53:53 PM »
That makes sense, though I'm amazed I understood it and impressed you could explain it so clearly.

My lower third molars are completely impacted and haven't erupted at all.  As a result, it would be pretty major surgery to take them out - not as major as yours, of course, but it would definitely involve cutting into bone.

The issue they cause is not discomfort so much as just pushing the rest of the teeth together, so that my lower incisors sort of overlap, with some forward and others back.  The annoyance isn't enough to justify surgery as far as I'm concerned, though.

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Re: Liquid paleo diet
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2013, 01:44:11 PM »
So long as your gums are fine...gums are much harder to fix than teeth when things go wrong.  I have to get a gum graft...at 26.  Despite having a low sugar diet except between 18-22 and no fillings at all, ever.

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 06:32:13 AM »
Yeah, my gums are healthy.  There have been times when they bled back when I ate no whole foods, but that was easily fixed with adequate vitamin C or brushing at the gum line.  One of the reasons removal of the impacted teeth would be so difficult is because they're covered by a substantial amount of healthy gum as well as healthy bone.

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 06:19:37 PM »
Yeah, my gums are healthy.  There have been times when they bled back when I ate no whole foods, but that was easily fixed with adequate vitamin C or brushing at the gum line.  One of the reasons removal of the impacted teeth would be so difficult is because they're covered by a substantial amount of healthy gum as well as healthy bone.
Count yourself lucky.  Seriously!

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Re: Liquid paleo diet
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2013, 07:00:57 PM »
Soup/broth/stock with added gelatine powder might get the job done. As long as it is warm it will be a liquid, and it will deliver protein, like 86g per 100g of it is protein.