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« on: February 08, 2010, 06:18:22 PM »
Anyone else subscribe to the Paleo Diet blog?  See the latest post?  Cordain still hasn't reversed what he's said about fat...especially sat fat.  He's all for canola and flax and says to choose the leanest meats possible.  Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 06:23:46 PM »
I subscribe to it. All I can say is I'm grateful to Tarlach, Warren Dew and Paleo Dude for setting me straight.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 06:26:12 PM »
thanks!  and everyone is still the consensus to eat fatty meat?  does anyone even track their sat fat?
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 06:30:53 PM »
Quote from: Sassenach on February 08, 2010, 06:26:12 PM
thanks!  and everyone is still the consensus to eat fatty meat?

Yes. When you go low carb you automatically up your fat intake. Otherwise you'd be malnourished. Grass fed and game meats are lean but there is still plenty of healthy fat on them.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 06:36:01 PM »
There is almost no fat on game animals here except black bears. Elk and deer don't have enough fat on their whole body to make a hamburger.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 06:38:00 PM »
okay good!  I was sad that I'd have to give up my gorgeous organic pig that's being raised right now for me!

anyone know why this post isn't come up as a "replied" post for me?  I keep checking back and it says I have no replies...yet I can see that you have replied
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 07:15:49 PM »
Quote from: Wlfdg on February 08, 2010, 06:36:01 PM
Elk and deer don't have enough fat on their whole body to make a hamburger.

Does this perhaps depend on the season and whether the deer in the area are overpopulated and thus underfed?  Out of the 35 pictures of a deer being skinned at the following link, about 10 seem to show significant quantities of visible fat (13-15, 18-21, 25, 27, 30, counting from the top down):

http://www.gutpilestyle.com/ForumSMF/big58cals-critter-cleaning/skinning-a-deer-cleaning-a-deer/?PHPSESSID=5ddb9091a203a2d219bd8f8e25956e6e
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 07:30:04 PM »
Quote from: Warren Dew on February 08, 2010, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: Wlfdg on February 08, 2010, 06:36:01 PM
Elk and deer don't have enough fat on their whole body to make a hamburger.

Does this perhaps depend on the season and whether the deer in the area are overpopulated and thus underfed?  Out of the 35 pictures of a deer being skinned at the following link, about 10 seem to show significant quantities of visible fat (13-15, 18-21, 25, 27, 30, counting from the top down):

http://www.gutpilestyle.com/ForumSMF/big58cals-critter-cleaning/skinning-a-deer-cleaning-a-deer/?PHPSESSID=5ddb9091a203a2d219bd8f8e25956e6e


I know zilch about butchering...but I had venison short ribs on friday night and they had some good fat in them....lots of it inedible but very good in small bits
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 07:35:46 PM »
Quote from: Sassenach on February 08, 2010, 06:18:22 PM
Anyone else subscribe to the Paleo Diet blog?  See the latest post?  Cordain still hasn't reversed what he's said about fat...especially sat fat.  He's all for canola and flax and says to choose the leanest meats possible.  Thoughts?

My thoughts are that I keep coming across more and more evidence that saturated fat is nothing to worry about.  Just today I came across a paper indicating that the French, who have low rates of heart disease, get 15% of their calories from saturated fat and about 40% from fat of all sources, of which butter is the biggest contributor:

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1&fid=930936&jid=BJN&volumeId=81&issueId=S1&aid=930924

I think Cordain is just having trouble shaking off the "fat is bad" brainwashing, which he's probably been exposed to since before I was born in 1960.
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 08:11:28 PM »
Quote from: Sassenach on February 08, 2010, 06:18:22 PM
Anyone else subscribe to the Paleo Diet blog?  See the latest post?  Cordain still hasn't reversed what he's said about fat...especially sat fat.  He's all for canola and flax and says to choose the leanest meats possible.  Thoughts?



He has to toe the line of "evidence" studies.  That is his point of view.



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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 08:20:40 PM »
Quote from: Warren Dew on February 08, 2010, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: Sassenach on February 08, 2010, 06:18:22 PM
Anyone else subscribe to the Paleo Diet blog?  See the latest post?  Cordain still hasn't reversed what he's said about fat...especially sat fat.  He's all for canola and flax and says to choose the leanest meats possible.  Thoughts?

My thoughts are that I keep coming across more and more evidence that saturated fat is nothing to worry about.  Just today I came across a paper indicating that the French, who have low rates of heart disease, get 15% of their calories from saturated fat and about 40% from fat of all sources, of which butter is the biggest contributor:

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1&fid=930936&jid=BJN&volumeId=81&issueId=S1&aid=930924

I think Cordain is just having trouble shaking off the "fat is bad" brainwashing, which he's probably been exposed to since before I was born in 1960.


yes it takes some time!  today I ate 19% of my calories from sat fat.
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 08:37:41 PM »
A lot of wild game is really lean. At least that has been my experience when eating them. What I have found out is that in the places where animals were lean there was more tubers and other carbs to make up for the lack of fat. Don't see any problems either way, just make sure to eat starchy tubers if you are eating wild game meat.

You should also read this recent paper if you have any questions about saturated fat: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-saturated-fat-review-article-by-dr.html
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 08:40:44 PM »
Quote from: Wlfdg on February 08, 2010, 06:36:01 PM
There is almost no fat on game animals here except black bears. Elk and deer don't have enough fat on their whole body to make a hamburger.

There is still the fat inside the bones, though. And a little more fat in organs (which is, by the way, what hardcore carnivores such as lions go for when eating zebras and stuff). Eating just the muscle meat means missing out on the available fat.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 09:30:41 PM »
Quote from: Warren Dew on February 08, 2010, 07:35:46 PM

My thoughts are that I keep coming across more and more evidence that saturated fat is nothing to worry about.  Just today I came across a paper indicating that the French, who have low rates of heart disease, get 15% of their calories from saturated fat and about 40% from fat of all sources, of which butter is the biggest contributor.


Is that 15% of total calories or 15% of fat calories?  I don't know what is the AHA recommendation? 

Also, I don't know how much saturated fat I eat.  I don't go out of the way to avoid it and I don't go out of the way to eat it.  I probably eat less since starting paleo because I don't eat butter and cheese, which seem to have a higher percentage of saturated fat.

I don't keep a food journal since I don't like paperwork.  I used to pay to have someone do my taxes and I was filing the 1040EZ form. (yep, I hate filling out forms that much).
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 09:46:48 PM »
Quote from: Paleo Dude on February 08, 2010, 09:30:41 PM
Is that 15% of total calories or 15% of fat calories?

It's 15% of total calories, or close to 40% of the fat calories.  That's because the French eat a lot of butter and cheese, which have a large proportion of saturated fat.

Note that I'm not advocating eating more saturated fat here.  I'm just saying that I don't really worry about it any more.
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