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Offline shadowboxin2

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Paleo vs. Primal
« on: May 12, 2012, 01:04:50 PM »
Hi All,

Just getting geared up here and curious about the comparative advantages of paleo vs. primal eating. In general, I'm fine with a paleo approach but would like to incorporate very small amounts of beans, yogurt or cottage cheese in my diet (1/4 to 1/2 cup servings here or there), or the occasional 1/2 sweet potato. My ultimate goal is weight loss (20 lbs.) and I know there are those who advocate for a very low carb approach when trying to lose fat.

I'm curious how good my results will be with a more primal-oriented approach. I know purists will always advocate for greater strictness on carbs, but I'd really like opinions that are rooted in experience rather than dogma - i.e. I struggled to lose until I went from primal to strict paleo, dairy/legumes really seemed to be a problem for me, I've really not noticed a problem eating those things, etc.

Thanks for any thoughts on this ...

Offline Il Capo

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Re: Paleo vs. Primal
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2012, 01:41:21 PM »
Hi All, would like to incorporate very small amounts of beans, yogurt or cottage cheese in my diet (1/4 to 1/2 cup servings here or there), or the occasional 1/2 sweet potato.
Why these items in particular?
Beans are neither primal nor paleo.

Yogurt is primal only if it is the unsweetened version (Kefir / greek yoghurt), not that sugar fests that are branded yoghurts.

Cottage cheese is also a bad cheese to choose. Go for harder cheeses with higher fat and lower sugar, if you absolutely must have some cheese.

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My ultimate goal is weight loss (20 lbs.) and I know there are those who advocate for a very low carb approach when trying to lose fat.
The sweet potato, beans and dairy will definitely get in the way of losing weight, not only for their carbs, but also due to other substances. Dairy, in particular, generates a high insulin response, even in its low sugar variants (i.e. cheese generates a much higher response than its carb load would suggest). Beans are all sorts of bad, in terms of digestion, satiety and regulating appetite.

Also read carefully the primal advice. Sweet potato is not consider ok accross the board. It is suggested for those who engage in significant training and need some extra carbs to fuel their particular training. Even then, some athletes report better results with ketosis and VLC, rather than sweet potato.


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Re: Paleo vs. Primal
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2012, 01:50:45 PM »
I agree with Il Capo.  The main things allowed on primal but not paleo are additional caloric sources - dairy fats and some starches.  Animal fats and fruit are better sources for those calories, but primal isn't as bad as just eating whatever's handy.

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Re: Paleo vs. Primal
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2012, 02:52:13 PM »
Beans are neither primal nor paleo, and cottage cheese is a bad cheese option...

The main problems with dairy are a) particularly insulinogenic proteins and b) hormones (oestrogens) than hinder weight loss
I used to eat butter but now I only eat goat butter and sometimes goat yoghurt/cheese

I don't see the harm in sweet potatoes in limited amounts, especially if you're reasonably active.  I was advised to really completely minimise carbs and maximise fats for weight loss and it didn't work - I ended up with super-low leptin levels and hypothyroidism and of course then I couldn't lose any weight no matter how hard I tried, even on a <1000/day diet plus IF.  This was a result of 20-30g carbs a day (I'm 5'1'', 115lbs); I only fixed the hypothyroidism after upping the carbs to minimum 50g/day

I'd say that occasional 1/2 sweet potatoes not harmful are better than dairy.  If you're going to have dairy, have full-fat goat yoghurt or cheese, preferably raw.  Forget the beans

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Re: Paleo vs. Primal
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2012, 06:32:42 PM »
While I was losing weight I avoided tubers completely, and the only dairy I ate was butter and ghee. Once I got to normal weight, I started allowing some high-fat dairy (like heavy cream and creme fraiche) and tubers, but they'd be the first to go if my weight starts to creep up again.

I agree, cottage cheese is rubbish - it contains all the "bad" bits of the milk (proteins and lactose) and none of the good bits. The healthy fat (assuming it's grass-fed) and fat-soluble vitamins are the valuable part of dairy. The proteins (especially whey) are insulinogenic and also allergenic for lots of people. The lactose is sugar and lots of people are lactose intolerant. You'd be better off getting your protein and sugar from meat/fish and fruit. For special treats, I eat some good cheeses in small quantities, but that's as a treat not a food, ie to me cheese is in the same category as birthday cake, something you'd eat occasionally but it's definitely not paleo.

It's quite hard to get natural yoghurt that doesn't contain skim milk powder and/or thickeners. I buy one that contains nothing but milk, cream and cultures, but I don't eat much of it. I also get home-brewed kefir from a friend who does fermentation stuff. This is for the probiotics, so I look on it as medicinal rather than food. I'd rather take that than probiotic capsules as the range of probiotics is much greater, and the quantities are small so I'm not eating a lot of dairy with it - I don't use it as an excuse to eat lots.


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Re: Paleo vs. Primal
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2012, 06:58:03 AM »
Thanks, all, for the clarification - very helpful!