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Some contradictory advice on a few food stuffs
« on: May 07, 2015, 12:24:48 PM »
So I've been using the flow chart as a starting place for all of my decision making in this, my first week of paleo, and it's been really helpful. In researching recipes I've come across some things that seem to contradict some of the info and would appreciate input.

Agave - it's a plant and marketed as a low GI sweetener, but one site said this was falling out of favour because of the fructose. Good/bad?

Honey /maple syrup - the flow chart says it's bad, but both are in the paleo section of one of the online supermarkets here. Confused.

In terms of paleo flours, am I right in thinking that coconut flour is the way to go? Or is almond flour a good one too?

For dairy substitutes, almond milk has been cited as worse than coconut milk but I don't really get why as they seem fairly comparable to me.

For potatoes, I've just worked on the basis that they're to be avoided at all costs but there seems to be a bit of disagreement, namely that you can eat very small amounts but if you're trying to lose weight it's really self defeating. I didn't eat much in the way of potatoes before I went on this diet but it would be good to know if I'm mentally thinking of potato as poison or just to be avoided as much as possible (i.e. is it a deal breaker to have some potato flour used in a soup).

Thanks all!

Offline Warren Dew

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Re: Some contradictory advice on a few food stuffs
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2015, 06:17:34 PM »
Agave nectar is a processed sweetener; not paleo.  Whole agave leaves are probably as paleo as any other new world plant.

Honey is probably paleo; it forms a significant percentage of the calorie intake of modern hunter gatherers - up to around 20% - and I think it is likely to have a high enough payoff for the labor involved not to be precluded by an optimal foraging strategy dominated by pursuit of large game.  That said, I don't use anywhere near that amount of honey, and I'm not sure how healthy it would be.

Maple syrup is almost certainly not paleo.

The baking recipes I use are based on hazelnut flour.  However, baked goods, even with nut flours, are not strictly paleo and should likely be limited to special occasions.

I think the reason coconut milk is considered more acceptable than almond milk is because almond milk is industrially extracted from almonds - not a process available to paleo man - but coconut milk  is naturally available if you harvest the coconuts at the right time.  That said, trying to find "dairy substitutes" is probably not the right approach; the idea is not to rebuild a nonpaleo diet with "paleo" ingredients, but actually to change one's dietary habits to take full advantage of paleo foods.

I don't really think of potato, or even bread, as "poison" so much as nonfood, like cardboard or sawdust.  Of course, I wouldn't thicken my soup with sawdust either.  I think it's a good idea to get used to clear broths on paleo.


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Re: Some contradictory advice on a few food stuffs
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2015, 03:41:15 PM »
Thanks, that's helpful.

To be clear I'm looking mainly at my options rather than trying to find regular alternatives to things that the diet wouldn't allow, so your point about baking etc is exactly how I feel about it: something to do occasionally. Thanks also for clearing up agave/maple syrup.

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Re: Some contradictory advice on a few food stuffs
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2015, 03:13:29 PM »
You're welcome!

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Re: Some contradictory advice on a few food stuffs
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2015, 01:48:08 PM »
...Of course, I wouldn't thicken my soup with sawdust either.  I think it's a good idea to get used to clear broths on paleo.

Even though it's not Paleo, I've been reading some recipes where people use a few white beans to imitate creaminess.


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Re: Some contradictory advice on a few food stuffs
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2015, 07:07:24 AM »
Agave nectar is a processed sweetener; not paleo.  Whole agave leaves are probably as paleo as any other Maple syrup is almost certainly not paleo.

That's the first time i've ever heard anyone say that about Maple Syrup. It's on the staples list of a few paleo websites and in many recipes for paleo eaters. It comes out of a tree which is pretty natural if you ask me. Why did you come to this conclusion?

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Re: Some contradictory advice on a few food stuffs
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2015, 09:34:44 PM »
It comes out of a tree which is pretty natural if you ask me.

Yeah, you'd think this was the caveman's version of tapping a keg.

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Re: Some contradictory advice on a few food stuffs
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2015, 07:33:29 PM »
Agave nectar is a processed sweetener; not paleo.  Whole agave leaves are probably as paleo as any other Maple syrup is almost certainly not paleo.
That's the first time i've ever heard anyone say that about Maple Syrup. It's on the staples list of a few paleo websites and in many recipes for paleo eaters. It comes out of a tree which is pretty natural if you ask me. Why did you come to this conclusion?
All sugar comes from plants of some sort.

The process to make maple syrup is really quite involved:  you have to make buckets and taps, tap a bunch of trees, go around collecting the buckets, and boil down the result.  It's unlikely paleo man would have gone to such trouble when he and his clan could just trap a hippo and eat for a week.

In addition, you need sugar maples, which are only present in the new world (the Americas), and thus were not available to man until maybe 10,000 years ago, which was far past the paleolithic.  Paleo man didn't have access to sugar maples and thus could have made maple syrup and could not have become adapted to it.