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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2010, 09:02:55 PM »
of particular interest to me as I am among the unexplained cases....

http://www.healthjockey.com/2010/03/05/more-vitamin-d-could-lead-to-lesser-bladder-cancer-cases/

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2010, 09:22:41 PM »


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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #77 on: October 28, 2010, 11:42:28 PM »
Sardines.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2010, 04:43:58 AM »
It can also help a lot with fatigue, seasonal affective disorder, and depression, if you were low on it.  My husband feels worlds better since he started 5,000 IU once a day.  I haven't noticed a gigantic difference, but I definitely have more energy and fewer mood swings.

This is what I am hoping. I have been taking 1000IU but am upping it to 2000. I haven't been able to find tablets with more than 1000 in the UK though, the ones I just ordered are Solgar softgels.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2010, 04:49:44 AM »
What is the cost Eric?
May I ask?


You can get over a hundred 5,000 IU pills of D-3 at iHerb for less than $10.  Use the code ZEB079 when you check out to save $5 and support the site.

Their supplements are the best quality and price with high turnover, ensuring freshness.


Hi Eric,
Just to say that I got 6 months supply of good quality vitamin D3 5000iu gel capsules, from Iherb. No other crap in them :) They came all the way from CA to England for 8 dollars shipping. so 19 has got me 6 months supply. VERY reasonable.
I shall start dosing with 10,000 per day straight away :)
thank you!


Oooh thanks! :)


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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #80 on: December 11, 2010, 11:30:39 AM »
I did a blood test and found out that I'm way deficient. Around 10 when the minimum of the range was 30 according to the lab.

What's the best way to get this fixed given that I live in the frozen north with no sun? Should I see my doctor and get one of the big perscription D supplemnts? Just get some d3 at the store and take a few thousand iu daily?


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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #81 on: December 11, 2010, 12:42:31 PM »
Here is a review of a book I would suggest you read....

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/supplements/sunshine-superman/

I think the book is great and suggest reading it but do agree with Dr. Eades on his review of it. Just like with almost every book I've read I feel the author gets a few things wrong. I guess that's the fun part - going off of what you already know and making your own decisions.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #82 on: December 11, 2010, 04:16:39 PM »
What's the best way to get this fixed given that I live in the frozen north with no sun? Should I see my doctor and get one of the big perscription D supplemnts? Just get some d3 at the store and take a few thousand iu daily?

If the doctor didn't say anything specific, buy some 5000iu D3 pills and take one or two a day for a few months - while trying to avoid breaking any bones.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2010, 08:44:34 AM »
What's the best way to get this fixed given that I live in the frozen north with no sun? Should I see my doctor and get one of the big perscription D supplemnts? Just get some d3 at the store and take a few thousand iu daily?

If the doctor didn't say anything specific, buy some 5000iu D3 pills and take one or two a day for a few months - while trying to avoid breaking any bones.

I did one of the mail in tests from vitamindcouncil.org. So no dr. advice given. I'll probably go in and ask my doc about it, but not until the new year flips over so my insurance will pay for it. Can't afford to pay for an office visit right now. The mail in test I used up the last bit of money in my flex spending account which would have gone away at year end if I hadn't used it anyway.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2011, 02:56:58 PM »
Hello, I am new to the forum and have a question to the masses here regarding vitamin D. Is there a preferrence as to whether the source is natural or manmade? I am preparing to go paleo, but throughout my life I have tried to satisfy my nutritional requirements through natural dietary means. I have had trouble with my vitamin D level all along though and I know that there are not that many good sources. I like salmon and am a fan of sushi but I don't think that I can eat 8 ounces of salmon a day for long without getting sick of it. I have looked into gelcaps and am wondering if it is a good option. In general (since the cavemen did not have a source from which to purchase multivitamins) are vitamin tablets acceptable in the paleo diet?

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2011, 03:12:29 PM »
Hello, I am new to the forum and have a question to the masses here regarding vitamin D. Is there a preferrence as to whether the source is natural or manmade? I am preparing to go paleo, but throughout my life I have tried to satisfy my nutritional requirements through natural dietary means. I have had trouble with my vitamin D level all along though and I know that there are not that many good sources. I like salmon and am a fan of sushi but I don't think that I can eat 8 ounces of salmon a day for long without getting sick of it. I have looked into gelcaps and am wondering if it is a good option. In general (since the cavemen did not have a source from which to purchase multivitamins) are vitamin tablets acceptable in the paleo diet?

Hi Ugg

Welcome.

I don't think you can avoid supplements sometimes.  I had my Vit D tested in August and it was 26 which is very low .... I started to take gel caps (1 x 1000 IU per day) and when I had it checked in November, it was up to 85 ... which is good because it should be > 60. I also go out for 15 mins a day when I can, but I am very fair skinned and have red hair so now that we are in full Australian summer, I have to be careful because I can burn even in that short time.  

For me, therefore, the gel caps have been a godsend, and most people don't get adequate sun in the winter wherever they are, and if you're darker skinned than me, it will take more than 15 mins in the winter for you to get enough sun anyway, assuming there is any.

Paleo man was outside all the time, winter and summer, pretty much 24 hours a day, so of course they didn't need supplements.  Most of us don't live that way ... we live in houses and work in buildings, so we have to make the conscious decision to go outside for any length of time.

If your Vit D is low, you won't be utilising your calcium properly and low levels will mean a weakened immune system and can lead to low moods and depression. I'd say take it.  I feel so much better now that my Vit D is up. Truly.
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2011, 06:49:49 PM »
Hello, I am new to the forum and have a question to the masses here regarding vitamin D. Is there a preferrence as to whether the source is natural or manmade? I am preparing to go paleo, but throughout my life I have tried to satisfy my nutritional requirements through natural dietary means. I have had trouble with my vitamin D level all along though and I know that there are not that many good sources. I like salmon and am a fan of sushi but I don't think that I can eat 8 ounces of salmon a day for long without getting sick of it. I have looked into gelcaps and am wondering if it is a good option. In general (since the cavemen did not have a source from which to purchase multivitamins) are vitamin tablets acceptable in the paleo diet?

OK, so I am going to try this I hope I see similar results because I have had issues with depression for some time now, as well as other things and am hoping that better diet and nutrition will assist.

Hi Ugg

Welcome.

I don't think you can avoid supplements sometimes.  I had my Vit D tested in August and it was 26 which is very low .... I started to take gel caps (1 x 1000 IU per day) and when I had it checked in November, it was up to 85 ... which is good because it should be > 60. I also go out for 15 mins a day when I can, but I am very fair skinned and have red hair so now that we are in full Australian summer, I have to be careful because I can burn even in that short time.  

For me, therefore, the gel caps have been a godsend, and most people don't get adequate sun in the winter wherever they are, and if you're darker skinned than me, it will take more than 15 mins in the winter for you to get enough sun anyway, assuming there is any.

Paleo man was outside all the time, winter and summer, pretty much 24 hours a day, so of course they didn't need supplements.  Most of us don't live that way ... we live in houses and work in buildings, so we have to make the conscious decision to go outside for any length of time.

If your Vit D is low, you won't be utilising your calcium properly and low levels will mean a weakened immune system and can lead to low moods and depression. I'd say take it.  I feel so much better now that my Vit D is up. Truly.


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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2011, 07:17:51 PM »

OK, so I am going to try this I hope I see similar results because I have had issues with depression for some time now, as well as other things and am hoping that better diet and nutrition will assist.

I was very miserable earlier in the year but didn't even know my Vit D was low. Since I've been taking the supplement, not only have my Vit D levels increased but my mood has as well. I feel much, much happier and just generally lighter and more outgoing.

If you have known issues with low Vit D, you need to get some into you asap, because your immune system will suffer as well as your mood. And, as I say, I only took 1 x 1000 IU (Vit D3) gelcap a day and it's done the trick.  Make sure you take it everyday though at least until you can get your bloods checked and know for sure they are higher and/or get some sun, but even when I get some sun or eat foods containing Vit D now, I still take one per day because 1000 IU is not a high level. You could go high to start with and get some 5000 IU caps, but I personally wouldn't want to eat Vit D enriched foods, take sun AND 1 or 2 5000 IU gelcaps a day - that's not really necessary for me as it's summer here. That's why I take the lower level so that I can take the sun and the food as well without concern - you can't overdose on sun-made Vit D, of course, because your skin receptors close down when it has enough, but taking in higher level supplements at the same time might be too much in the long term that's all. But if it's winter where you are and there is no sun, then go for it, just cut back a bit in the summer.

Cutting out grains and taking Vit D gelcaps are the two most noticeable improvements I've seen on Paleo.  Cutting the grains has totally eradicated my IBS and upping my Vit D has improved my mood no end - I feel so much more normal now and the improvements were very quick and noticeable even before I had my bloods checked to confirm levels.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #88 on: January 09, 2011, 02:14:32 PM »
Syren:
I am a bit confused with this dosage issue. I beleive the reccommended daily for vitamin D is something like 400 IU. Why are we discussing such high levels? 5000IU is over 10 times the RDA. Why so much? These high levels concern me because vitamin D is a fat soluable vitamin and so I would think that taking so much would eventually lead to an excessive buildup and I would also think possibly liver troubles. Am I wrong? Why would we not want to stick to the RDA or at most twice that? I started today on 1000IU gelcaps and am hoping it helps with my mood. I know you had said that it was rather quick to make a difference, but can you be a bit more specific? About how long would you say that it took before you had a noticable impact on you r mood?

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #89 on: January 09, 2011, 02:25:21 PM »
Syren:
I am a bit confused with this dosage issue. I beleive the reccommended daily for vitamin D is something like 400 IU. Why are we discussing such high levels? 5000IU is over 10 times the RDA. Why so much? These high levels concern me because vitamin D is a fat soluable vitamin and so I would think that taking so much would eventually lead to an excessive buildup and I would also think possibly liver troubles. Am I wrong? Why would we not want to stick to the RDA or at most twice that? I started today on 1000IU gelcaps and am hoping it helps with my mood. I know you had said that it was rather quick to make a difference, but can you be a bit more specific? About how long would you say that it took before you had a noticable impact on you r mood?

The previous levels were too low Ugg:

A new Dietary Reference Intake was made for vitamin D[31] on November 30, 2010 by the Institute of Medicine. The previous recommendation was an Adequate Intake (AI). The reference intake is based on more evidence than the previous AI. The recommendations were formed assuming the individual has little to no sun exposure. The reference intake includes intake from diet (food and beverages) and supplements.

The new reference intakes for vitamin D are:

170 years of age: 600 IU/day (200 IU is 5 μg equivalent)
71+ years of age: 800 IU/day
Pregnant/lactating: 600 IU/day
An AI remains for infants:

012 months: 400 IU/day

The upper level intakes for vitamin D are:

06 months of age: 1,000 IU
612 months of age: 1,500 IU
13 years of age: 2,500 IU
48 years of age: 3,000 IU
9-71+ years of age: 4,000 IU
Pregnant/lactating: 4,000 IU[31]

In healthy adults, sustained intake of 1250 micrograms/day (50,000 IU) can produce overt toxicity after several months.
 That's a LOT of Vit D supplement you'd have to take to overdose. The U.S. Dietary Reference Intake Tolerable Upper Intake Level (upper limit) of vitamin D for children and adults is set at 50 micrograms/day (2,000 IU).

So you can take anything up to 2000-3000 IU per day and still be safe I reckon. 1000 IU is fine if your levels are low because, clearly, you're not getting enough. I'm not worried about too high doses on 1000 IU per day.

As for my mood, within about two weeks of eating Paleo and taking Vit D I noticed a difference, and it got steadily better as time went on until now when I just feel 'normal'.

Edit: I've just checked the Australian levels and ours are a bit lower here but I'm assuming that's because we still have a LOT of sunshine even in the winter in most parts of Australia. The reason my levels were so low was because I wasn't going out in it enough and even now, I don't do it all the time because of my fair skin - the sun in summer here is fierce, too fierce for me even after only a few minutes - so I limit it and take supplements as well.
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