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Whey protein powder and what's considered "dairy"
« on: July 17, 2012, 09:49:14 AM »
So I had cut out all diary from my diet for about 6 months because, according to Loren Cordain, dairy products of ANY kind are a non-paleo food. 

However, my nutritionist, who also considers her diet paleo, suggested that I drink some whey protein powder (mostly before bedtime) for extra protein (as it is easier to digest and I'm not a great sleeper and have plenty of digestion issues.)  The brand she recommended was "MRM 100% all natural Whey".  She argued that this product is "not really dairy because it's just the 'protein isolate' of the whey"....?  So this morning I finally tried it for the first time with a banana and some almond milk before I went for my morning swim.  It tasted pretty yummy and wasn't too heavy of a pre-swim breakfast for me.

So I'm wondering if other paleos use/have used whey protein powder too?  And if so, how often did you drink it?  And for how long?  And did you notice any health benefits?  Or did you feel that from your experience, whey protein was detrimental to your health in any way??  Thanks in advance for any feedback!

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Re: Whey protein powder and what's considered "dairy"
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 12:06:17 PM »
I don't consider protein powder paleo as it's processed.  Same with almond milk.

However, if you are of North European ancestry, I don't think that small amounts of high fat, RAW dairy are massively harmful, especially if it's fermented.   I eat small amounts of raw goat yoghurt or raw goat cheese 2-4 times a week.  I think all dairy does negatively affect weight loss though

Problems with dairy -

Conventional dairy - artificial hormones and antibiotics in the fat, effect on pasteurisation on the proteins, strongly insulinogenic effect of the proteins.
Organic cow dairy - natural oestrogens in the milk, effect on pasteurisation on the proteins
Goat dairy I generally consider better as they don't milk the goats when they are heavily pregnant.  Some cow dairies, particularly the raw farmers, also have more traditional milking schedules

There's been reports and studies about dairy proteins having opiate-like effects on the brain but I have to say I'm not massively convinced by that

If you're going to eat dairy, eat it as real dairy and real food - organic RAW yoghurt or organic RAW cheese or organic RAW butter.  Everything else - no

Want easily digestible protein.  Liver, tuna, prawns, or squid rings.  The latter two are almost all protein.  As is white fish.


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Re: Whey protein powder and what's considered "dairy"
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 02:46:42 PM »
I can't see any reason why a paleo eater should need extra protein. If anything, if you're concerned about macronutrient ratios, the issue is getting fat high enough without letting protein intake get too high. With unlimited meat and fish you get plenty of protein!

I eat some dairy, because I like it and for the fat-soluble vitamins. I find butter an easy way to add some extra fat to my diet. I'm not rabidly anti-dairy, but I wouldn't use whey protein powder. There are more nutritious forms of protein (meat and fish), all the good stuff in real dairy isn't in it (the fat and fat-soluble vitamins, plus probiotics in cultured products), it's processed (it's an untested "food" - we don't know what effects the processing might have), and if I'm going to allow dairy there are much more delicious ways to eat it. Why waste my "cheat" on something that tastes of nothing?

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Re: Whey protein powder and what's considered "dairy"
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 08:18:44 PM »
thank you for the helpful tips and suggestions.   I like the idea of eating cheese again...esp any "stinky" cheese like blue cheese, feta, or goat... those are my FAVORITE and I miss them. I also love yogurt!  ...Much more exciting than eating any kind of protein powder.  I'll have to look for the RAW kind, don't know much about that yet, but can research that here in Idaho.  Unfortunately these days I'm having to stay away from fish for sources off protein, esp tuna, because my doctor is very concerned about my high mercury levels. :(

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Re: Whey protein powder and what's considered "dairy"
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 04:42:59 AM »
try sardines.  The smaller fish have less mercury :)


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Re: Whey protein powder and what's considered "dairy"
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2012, 08:42:06 AM »
BTW, I found some org raw goat milk at the Boise Co Op...  YUMMY!!
Maybe next trip I'll look for the raw yogurt  ;D

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Re: Whey protein powder and what's considered "dairy"
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2012, 05:01:51 AM »
I used to drink egg whites w/ whey protein as a recovery drink. Why not just drink egg whites?  You can get them pasteurized in cartons.

It's definitely more expensive, but seems a lot more paleo friendly.  The yolks have a lot of protein and nutrients too though.  You can also get powdered egg protein but YMMV.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2012, 05:07:28 AM by The Noble Savage »