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rarose67

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Why is quinoa bad?
« on: March 01, 2013, 03:21:26 AM »
Since I started eating gluten free, I depended on quinoa for my "starch" and protein. It's also full of good amino acids. So I'm just wondering why this is bad for you?

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 10:36:25 AM »
Quinoa is nonpaleo for the same reason cereal grains are nonpaleo:  it's an agricultural food that was not available in the paleolithic.  It's also a new world food.

In addition, quinoa has significant amounts of antinutrients, such as saponins and phytic acid.  Like the cereal grains, it is protected chemically against animals that might want to eat it - unlike tree nuts, which are protected with a physical shell.

Google books result on quinoa antinutrients

On paleo, you get all the amino acids you need from meat, in pretty much perfect proportions.  Calories should not come primarily from starch, but rather from fat, preferably animal fat, or if you really want to do high carb paleo, from fruit.
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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 02:01:25 PM »
See that's where I'm having a problem. I don't eat a lot of meat, and that's not going to change. The only meat I eat is chicken, turkey and fish. So I need to get my amino acids from someplace else that's non paleo. I might have to do a rice protein shake.

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 11:02:22 PM »
rarose, with all due respect I doubt that you can successfully do the paleo diet if you refuse to eat healthy and nutritious meats.  Going paleo is more than changing what you eat, it is also changing how you think. 

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 11:09:16 PM »
I'd agree that pale is going to be difficult if you don't eat meat.

That said, fish is fine, and chicken and turkey are fine sources of protein, even if they tend to be lean.  You'll need 6-12 oz per day for optimal health, though.


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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2013, 12:00:24 AM »
You'll get plenty of amino acids from chicken, turkey and fish. What you won't get is enough fat. Quinoa won't help with that.

If you want to eat starch, white rice would be a safer source, but it's basically empty calories.

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2013, 01:54:22 AM »
See that's where I'm having a problem. I don't eat a lot of meat, and that's not going to change. The only meat I eat is chicken, turkey and fish. So I need to get my amino acids from someplace else that's non paleo. I might have to do a rice protein shake.

Not necessarily.  The basic protein needs if you're not doing weights are not that high.  You can have 2 eggs at breakfast, a couple of chicken thighs at lunch and a piece of fish at dinner and be fine. 20 or 25% of cals from protein is OK.  You can make up the rest in fat (eg coconut) and paleo friendly carbs

Paleo friendly carbs (starches) -
green banana
onions
butternut squash
pumpkin
parsnips
beetroot
celeraic
jerusalem artichoke
turnips
swede (rutabaga)
carrots
chestnuts (very starchy!)

Non-paleo safe starches -
white rice
sweet potatoes, yams
corn?

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2013, 04:08:20 AM »
I can't eat eggs on the hypothyroid autoimmune diet. It's a lot different than the regular paleo. I also can't eat white rice because I'm hypoglycemic. I do eat sweet potatoes every day, so that's my starch. I can also eat squash and other root vegetables, which are starchy. I've started taking Green Pastures cod liver oil/butter blend, and I eat a lot of avocados and also take krill oil, so that's where I'm getting my fat. Oh, and I use coconut oil when I cook and I put it on my sweet potatoes.

I feel like I can do the hypothyroid autoimmune diet just fine without resorting to meats that make me gag, that I literally can't stand the taste or thought of or that also upset my stomach. The last time I ate beef I was 10 years old. The next time I tried eating it in my 20's it gave me the worst upset stomach. The whole point in the hypothyroid autoimmune diet is to eat foods that are easily digested and will heal your digestive system, so I'm not going to eat food that upsets my stomach.

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2013, 06:56:55 AM »
Maybe the reason beef made you ill was because of the other things in your diet that you were also eating with it. I know when I ate SAD, meat made me feel "heavy" and queasy. and seemed to take forever to digest. When I was LC, same issue but to a lesser degree. But after going paleo, I found it more tolerable and eventually made it a daily part of my diet.

Maybe after you've been doing paleo while, using fish and poultry as your proteins, you'll find other meats more tolerable. Give your body time to adjust. But, to achieve that, I would cut the starches. No sweet potato, no grains (even "ancient" ones). You make it sound like you need starch. You don't. In fact, with hypoglycemia, you'd be better off without it.

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2013, 07:19:10 AM »
I'm eating sweet potatoes for fiber as well.  I only eat one a day for breakfast. Aside from meat hurting my stomach, I also have several religious beliefs and personal values that make eating beef, lamb, veal or pork products impossible.

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2013, 08:55:45 AM »
You don't need sweet potatoes for fiber. You should be getting that from leafy greens, especially if you are hypoglycemic.

As far as meat goes, I understand your challenges. All I can say is, good luck.

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2013, 12:37:35 PM »
Sweet potatoes are my go to breakfast and my doc said I need more Vit. A as well. I only have about 10 minutes in the morning to eat breakfast, so I need something that's already cooked that I can just microwave quickly. I make a sweet potato and turkey bacon hash (using nitrate free turkey bacon). I make a bunch ahead of time and then just reheat it in the morning before work.

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2013, 02:44:50 PM »
Okay then. I give up. Enjoy your starchy tubers.

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2013, 03:41:21 PM »
so I need something that's already cooked that I can just microwave quickly.
If you are trying to correct an autoimmune condition you might want to avoid eating food cooked in a microwave. This is controversial and I don't know if there is any scientific evidence, but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence of people feeling health benefits from not using a microwave.

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Re: Why is quinoa bad?
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2013, 05:06:49 PM »
I don't understand why I"m being attacked here. I'm not being stubborn or just shooting down advice for no good reason. I have my reasons. If anyone can think of a good breakfast for me to eat that is already precooked and only needs reheating and that I can eat in 10 minutes or less, I"m open to it. But that's literally all the time I have in the morning to give to breakfast before going to work.

I really don't appreciate being judged. I came here for help. I didn't realize it was "my way or the highway" on this forum.