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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2010, 02:54:00 PM »
I belive that its a balance between diet and exercise that bring about sound weight and optimum health. too much or too little of either and the balance will more than likely be tipped.

I would be cautious with advising an explosive and intense exercise reigime in the first instance though. to me this is a little zealous, for the following reasons;

Firstly, if the individual is very overweight and has not undertaken any exercise for some time then such movements will only lead to injury at best and a coronary at worst.

Such an intense exercise programme, if the individual is physically capable of such actions would bring about rapid adaptions in the primacy and progress would be rapid. However, following adaption, plateau would occur relatively quickly and the individual would become stagnant and would then fail to progress. This is following standard principles of training in relation to having a sound base in order progress to a higher standard of fitness and health(the pyramid theory of training)

Althoughh this is clearly designed for athletic performance, i belive the principles are the same for everyday health.

Steady endrance training has its place for the majority of people, it teaches the body to use oxygen and thus enables different energy systems to be utilised.

I dont think anybody can be as healthy as they can be without exercise. the body is selfish with its fuel, and if your a couch potato, your body will hoard what you eat and you will become an unhealthy potato.

(sorry, am i allowed to mention potato on here?!?!) ;D

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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2010, 04:53:58 PM »
my story is exactly that...I was the typical jockette until the age of 18 (tall blonde athletic gorgeous in perfect preportions) and started on oral contraceptives.  What I have found out nearly 15 years later is that those oral contraceptives shut down my thyroid and facilitated me to gain nearly 100lbs.  I fully realized I was gaining weight after 20 lbs...and went to my doctor after exercising and dieting weren't do dick squat after 3 months.  He told me to eat less and move more.  I did this dance with him for 14 years until I finally was old and wise enough (at the ripe age of 32!) to switch frigging doctors....that's after putting myself through every fad diet I could read about!

I certainly wasn't sitting on the couch eating french fries dipped in mayo with a bucket of fried chicken!  I went to nutritionists, I did photo journals of everything I put in my mouth.  I did weight watchers, I have a personal trainer, I go to the gym, I play competitive volleyball, softball.  My doctor kept telling me that I was going to be type 2 diabetic if I didn't stop...he'd test my sugars and they were always incredibly low (hypoglycemic ...my body used what carbs I had too efficiently)...my cholesterol was perfect as was all my other blood markers.  Even at my highest of 309 lbs I still had a waist....all my weight was so evenly distributed and was NOT around my waist.  All I kept getting was this wasn't typical pattern of obesity and to eat less fat, move more.  I got pregnant easily (which was not typical for someone overweight).  My baby doc finally asked about contraceptives since I wasn't gaining weight during pregnancy really....and my blood sugar was low during pregnancy so they wanted me to eat more often!  Of course they recommended more whole grain pasta and vegetables...don't say anything about fat and protein!

finally after 15 years I had my new doc test my thyroid antibodies...they came back off the charts!  This was the first thing to come back abnormal in 15 years and I had to ask him to test it!!  yeesh!  from there it's been better but I haven't lost any weight (despite the 10 lbs after 1 week on paleo).  So clearly for me paleo is going to help...as well as the leptin diet (you can do it in combo with paleo very easily).

anyways....that's my rant and story....like anything we are not all the same eh? :-)

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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2010, 06:52:09 PM »
..I think my weight gain was related to a massive addiction to carbohydrates and addictions are very tricky.

With regard to eliminating addictions...A person can *want* to behave or do one thing but almost automatically find themselves doing the opposite with regard to addictive substances. This is especially true for addicts who are fighting to moderate their behavior. 12-Steppers theorize if a person is sitting in an AA meeting, chances are moderation is impossible. Complete abstinence from the addictive substance allows people to stop fighting to moderate. Abstinence is easier then moderation.  


EXACTLY!  and food addiction...you have no choice but to overcome your addiction with moderation because you can't abstain from food altogether like alcohol or drugs or whatever (realizing that sex addiction would be a ridiculous one too...off topic sorry ;-P)  So the best way I can "moderate" my addiction is to eliminate the addicting stuff like carbs and sweets and add fat.  

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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2010, 06:57:00 PM »
Stay away from chemical and hormonal contraceptives if you are looking for health.

Paleo diet high fat low carb is a sure winner.  No gym needed.
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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2010, 07:31:56 PM »
So the best way I can "moderate" my addiction is to eliminate the addicting stuff like carbs and sweets and add fat.  

And in my case, this is where an adherence to a diet of almost zero carbs works best.  To quote CW (ZIOH), 'Vegetation is a gateway drug'.  I envy those who can still eat fruits without inducing further cravings.  On the other hand, it's rather easy to feed myself these days; never worrying about side dishes, starches or desserts.

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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2010, 07:10:49 PM »
Howdy Beowolf, I started with The Paleo Diet as my base but have sense increased my saturated fat and eat far more fatty meats than before. It's working!

Exercise- The best way to lose fat is first by eating the correct foods as you have read above.

Until you can sprint you can do Tabata Protocol. Doing 1 Tabata session, first thing in the morning, 3-4X per week, will do more for fat loss for you than hours and hours of steady state cardio. Like my signature says "Walking isn't exercise, it's locomotion!"

The absolute best exercise for fat loss is resistance training doing full body workouts with compound exercises. Only muscle uses fat for energy. The more muscle you carry the more fat you can burn. As far as the theory of "get fit first and then gain muscle..." That dead horse has been FUBAR'd!


Thanks !! I am on Day 3. I',m in the same boat at Beowolf.  I'm 185@ 5'2 medium build. I've been doing cardio for 8 months straight and my weight plateaus around 175-180.  I do cardio for about 60-90 min, 4-5 times a week.   I think it's about time I hit the weights... !!!!

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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2010, 07:54:26 PM »
Thanks !! I am on Day 3. I',m in the same boat at Beowolf.  I'm 185@ 5'2 medium build. I've been doing cardio for 8 months straight and my weight plateaus around 175-180.  I do cardio for about 60-90 min, 4-5 times a week.  I think it's about time I hit the weights... !!!!
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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2010, 05:56:04 AM »
I've made the decision to not exercise just yet. Another ten pounds and maybe. At this weight, I've tried to and I could really feel the pressure on my joints and I felt I have to be careful so as not to lose my balance, so I'm not pushing that.

However, I find that I am naturally more active so I'm going with it. Getting more things done, so I am moving around more than I did before.
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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2010, 10:35:54 AM »
I totally agree with Goodsamaritan and TWS, getting rid of the carbs is a surefire way for your body to reduce any excess weight.

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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2010, 11:34:14 AM »
I've made the decision to not exercise just yet. Another ten pounds and maybe. At this weight, I've tried to and I could really feel the pressure on my joints and I felt I have to be careful so as not to lose my balance, so I'm not pushing that.

However, I find that I am naturally more active so I'm going with it. Getting more things done, so I am moving around more than I did before.


There are workout out there that are not hard on the joints for overweight people...  upper body barbell training (a set of bench press isn't going ot be any harder for someone overweight), swimming, even the elipitical or hammer strength machines in a gym.

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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2010, 09:32:32 PM »
I've made the decision to not exercise just yet. Another ten pounds and maybe. At this weight, I've tried to and I could really feel the pressure on my joints and I felt I have to be careful so as not to lose my balance, so I'm not pushing that.

However, I find that I am naturally more active so I'm going with it. Getting more things done, so I am moving around more than I did before.


There are workout out there that are not hard on the joints for overweight people...  upper body barbell training (a set of bench press isn't going ot be any harder for someone overweight), swimming, even the elipitical or hammer strength machines in a gym.

Yeah my dads 67 year old knees are actually getting stronger and less painful from him using the elliptical.
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2010, 04:36:58 AM »
the elliptical is my cardio of choice.  I do a lot of interval training though, I like it better.  I do spend a full 30 mintues on the machine, because I have to to get credit for the workout, but I do a warm up, then HIIT, then a cool down.

I have a knee that is a bit messed up, so I like the elliptical since it is low impact.
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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2010, 09:11:21 PM »
I have painful knee joints from doing idiotic things in my youth.  The elliptical has really helped me, and it's the only way I get my cardio. 

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Re: How much exercise to lose weight?
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