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Offline Il Capo

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I'm finally at the weight I think I should be after my intense weight-loss diet (went down from 160 to 133) and am thinking of ramping up my workouts to increase strength and muscle. While losing weight I was doing some martial arts, first, and then mostly Tabata cycling or some sprints and the occasional strength work, but not really intense strength workouts.

I have read here about the positives of the 5X5 program and think that would be the way to go. I also read alternatives involving sandbags, rocks and sleds, but those are not really feasible as I am space constrained.

I have free access to the gym in the apartment complex where I live. I can't really afford a gym membership right now so I would like to make the most of what I have.

Being the typical small gym it has only limited equipment:

- A few cycles, ellipticals and treadmills.
- A couple of benches with assorted dumbbells (upto 80 lbs or so if I remember correctly). The benches can be adjusted for angle from flat to virtually upright.
- A few machines for isolated exercises such as: biceps, triceps, row machine, leg press and some other one.

The 5x5 routine I found for beginners is:

Workout A: squat, bench press, inverted row (3XF), pushups (3XF), reverse crunch (3x12)
Workout B: squat, overhead press, deadlift (1x5), pull-ups (3XF), prone bridges (3 x 30 secs).

http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/

Issues I have:

- Don't have equipment for pull-ups. I could probably get some materials and make my own at home or just buy a bar, but even then it would not be at the gym. What exercise could I replace pull ups with?

- For bench presses I would be using dumbbells and most times I would not have a spotter as there is rarely anyone at this gym. Is there an effective way to manage this? The few times I did bench presses I felt like I could not push hard on the last couple of reps or use more weight because I lacked the rack and spotter. The floor is rubber, so I could just drop the dumbbells, but I'm concerned about wrist strain if dropping them. Any advice on how to bench press with dumbbells and no spotter? Or should I replace the exercise?

- Inverted row: I think I could set a bench in a way that I would be grabbing the handles of one of the machines to do this exercise. I'll check it out.

Additionally, feel free to chime in if you think I should follow a different routine or try something else.

Thanks in advance.






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Re: Need exercise routine advice: adapting 5x5 to available equipment
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 05:28:16 PM »
You have everything you need! Since you have a limited amount of weight and no barbell a traditional 5X5 isn't going to be the most efficient way for you to make progress.

So what I would suggest is this. The same Mon/Wed/Fri type split.
Reps to 25 however you get there. Do repetitions focusing on fast concentric speed. Halt set as soon as concentric speed slows down. Rest 60sec. Resume sets. This way a spotter isn't necessary.   So pick a weight you can manage 8 reps with good form. So you can rip out the first 6 and grunt out the last 2. Rip out the first 6, rest 60 sec. rip out the next #? reps>rest 60sec> reps #? > etc. to 25 total reps. Eccentric range slooow>Concentric fast>>>>>>>> 2-3 count down/1 count up

A. Dumbbell Front Squats, Alternating Single Hand Dumbbell Rows, Dumbbell Bench Press, Reverse Crunch

B. Alternating Single Hand Clean & Press, Bulgarian Single Leg Deadlifts, Incline Dumbbell Press (no greater than 30* incline), Janda Situps (2 Sets>failure)

Forget the weight machines.

Do Tabata Protocol or HIIT on 3 non-lifting days. Have 1 active recovery day a week.

Just a thought.

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Total Reps, Not Sets

I have a target number of reps with each lift. I don't go into the gym with the idea that I'm going to perform 5x5 with 85% of my 1RM for the front squat. Instead, I go into the gym with the goal of performing 25 total reps with that load.

I don't have a target number of reps for each set because I lift based on speed. When the last rep is noticeably slower than the first, I stop the set. This keeps my force-producing capabilities up as high as possible by controlling fatigue.

So set one might stop at six reps and set three might stop at four reps. If it's a maximal strength day, the target number of reps per lift might be as low as 10. If it's a lighter load the target number might be as high as 50. Each workout uses the same target number of reps for all lifts.

Here are some basic guidelines to get you started. Remember, the following numbers are for one lift only. You shouldn't perform the following volume for two similar movements in the same workout. In other words, don't perform 25 total reps with a heavy load for the bench press and 25 reps for the incline bench press in the same workout.

Maximal Strength: 10 total reps

Strength/Hypertrophy: 20 total reps

Hypertrophy/Strength: 25 total reps

Hypertrophy/Endurance: 35 total reps

Endurance: 50 total reps

Point 4: Have a target number of total reps in mind for each lift and perform as many sets as it takes to keep your speed as high as possible.

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Re: Need exercise routine advice: adapting 5x5 to available equipment
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2009, 08:43:03 PM »
Thanks a lot for your help! karma added.

I have a couple of follow up questions:

- when you talk about concentric speed for bench presses, do you mean the speed when "pushing up"? That's what would make sense to me: fast up and slow down.

- when moving from one exercise to the next, should I rest only about 60 secs as I would in between reps for each exercise or should I slow down some more and then start the new exercise?

By the way, those Janda situps look nasty!

Thanks again.
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Re: Need exercise routine advice: adapting 5x5 to available equipment
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2009, 09:13:47 PM »
"Thanks a lot for your help!" You are welcome! "karma added". ;D

I have a couple of follow up questions:

- when you talk about concentric speed for bench presses, do you mean the speed when "pushing up"? That's what would make sense to me: fast up and slow down.
Exactly!

- when moving from one exercise to the next, should I rest only about 60 secs as I would in between reps for each exercise or should I slow down some more and then start the new exercise?
Yea, take about 60-90sec. between exercises

By the way, those Janda situps look nasty!
They are FUN!;)

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Re: Need exercise routine advice: adapting 5x5 to available equipment
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2009, 07:37:49 AM »
Grerat advice above.

If you are new to strength training...

Tendon and ligament strength takes a litte time to develop so I would start at a weight that isn't maxing you at 5 reps for a month or so (like a weight you could get 7 reps with but do 5)... then start working your way up. 
« Last Edit: December 29, 2009, 07:39:56 AM by arthurb999 »

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Re: Need exercise routine advice: adapting 5x5 to available equipment
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2009, 07:37:49 AM »