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Want Paleo exercise?
« on: January 31, 2011, 07:21:59 AM »
Calling calisthenics Paleo is laughable. Cavemen doing sets of chins or pushups? burpees?  :-\  ::)

This on the other hand I would call Paleo. If there is such a thing?   ???
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/the_secret_of_loaded_carries
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2011, 07:36:48 AM »
And mom thought i was crazy walking around with my backpack full of weights.
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2011, 07:50:07 AM »
Quote from: milkycereal on January 31, 2011, 07:36:48 AM
And mom thought i was crazy walking around with my backpack full of weights.
;D I'm sure she won't be alone.  :D
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2011, 08:16:18 AM »
Quote from: Wlfdg on January 31, 2011, 07:21:59 AM
Calling calisthenics Paleo is laughable. Cavemen doing sets of chins or pushups? burpees?  :-\  ::)

This on the other hand I would call Paleo. If there is such a thing?   ???
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/the_secret_of_loaded_carries

The same single coach can say different versions of "nothing is as important as insert exercise name " 365+ times per year.
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The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2011, 08:19:51 AM »
Quote from: samjohn on January 31, 2011, 08:16:18 AM
The same single coach can say different versions of "nothing is as important as insert exercise name " 365+ times per year.
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2011, 09:17:13 AM »
I think samjohn is saying that the same trainer/coach can come out every day touting some new "ultimate" exercise, the uber secret most important movemnt you'll never do!!!11!!1

It would seem to me that the "secret" is varying the movements you're doing.  More variety, more ways you're challenging your body, the less weaknesses you will have.
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2011, 09:26:13 AM »
I don't think Dan John is saying this is the key to life.
I think that he's saying the anabolic/adaptive response to loading the body directly for an extended period of time + locomotion has big carryover.
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2011, 09:34:34 AM »
There is no such thing as paleo exercise. Paleolithic man (and woman) stayed fit through the things they had to do to survive. I wouldn't worry about what exercise is paleo or not. Develop an exercise program for yourself , or buy a video. There are lots of exercise plans out there form free to extremely expensive. Chances are if you look around this page you'll find a link for one. Don't sit there and wonder what program is best. Get up and move and after a while you'll figure out what works best for you.
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2011, 09:42:30 AM »
Quote from: Morff on January 31, 2011, 09:34:34 AM
There is no such thing as paleo exercise. Paleolithic man (and woman) stayed fit through the things they had to do to survive. I wouldn't worry about what exercise is paleo or not. Develop an exercise program for yourself , or buy a video. There are lots of exercise plans out there form free to extremely expensive. Chances are if you look around this page you'll find a link for one. Don't sit there and wonder what program is best. Get up and move and after a while you'll figure out what works best for you.
What?  ??? ::)
Where do these people come from ???
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2011, 10:01:05 AM »
Quote from: Morff on January 31, 2011, 09:34:34 AM
There is no such thing as paleo exercise. Paleolithic man (and woman) stayed fit through the things they had to do to survive. I wouldn't worry about what exercise is paleo or not. Develop an exercise program for yourself , or buy a video. There are lots of exercise plans out there form free to extremely expensive. Chances are if you look around this page you'll find a link for one. Don't sit there and wonder what program is best. Get up and move and after a while you'll figure out what works best for you.

How do you know this? We had art so why wouldn't we have had sport? Have a look at a traditional game of the basque region http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrijasotzaileak these are a pretty ancient people
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2011, 10:10:37 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clach-ultaich it wasn't all that long ago that Scotland was still in its palaeolithic period
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2011, 10:23:04 AM »
That game looks eerily similar to the Atlas stone games nowadays!

Would Paleolithic man have been going to this extreme though?  You would need a surplus of food first, otherwise I would think that being sore and drained for a few days or a week after an anabolic workout would leave you vulnerable.

Imagine trying to run down a gazelle after squat day, I don't know how well that would work, and it's not like you could hobble over to the nearest grocery store for a grass fed steak.

However maybe paleolithic man could deal with that, as he led a more physically demanding day to day life, I don't know.  I would think that in general, Paleolithic man was probably trying to innovate easier way to do the hard work, if anything.
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2011, 11:41:18 AM »
I'd imagine competition for bragging rights existed then as well - especially among the older boys/younger men
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Re: Want Paleo exercise?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2011, 12:57:43 PM »
Quote from: Wlfdg on January 31, 2011, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: Morff on January 31, 2011, 09:34:34 AM
There is no such thing as paleo exercise. Paleolithic man (and woman) stayed fit through the things they had to do to survive. I wouldn't worry about what exercise is paleo or not. Develop an exercise program for yourself , or buy a video. There are lots of exercise plans out there form free to extremely expensive. Chances are if you look around this page you'll find a link for one. Don't sit there and wonder what program is best. Get up and move and after a while you'll figure out what works best for you.
What?  ??? ::)
Where do these people come from ???

Well, IF you read it several times it starts to make a little sense I think:

First Paleolithic man didn't need to "exercise"; he walked everywhere; lifted heavy things like wood and the game he hunted;chased game or was chased; scrapped and tanned hides; practiced with his throwing stick or spears. He was active and used is body in different ways all the time.

Second, the important thing is to get up and do something. Did cave men do push ups or pull ups or lift weights? No, but he did use his body and in ways that some exercises mimic.
I hope Morff isn't saying just go out and do something/anything with giving it any thought or doing any research... that would be a bad idea.

But on the other hand the question is why someone is here:

What is paleo/primal to them. What are their goals, their motives?

I want to be fit and healthy. I don't want big muscles or to run 26.2 miles, I want to be strong enough and fit enough to do the things I enjoy, hiking backpacking, rock climbing, canoing etc.

The path I follow suits my world view, my philosophy, my goals. I try to use my body the way we evolved using it or mimic those the best I can. I walk, hike, do body weight exercises, and sprint. Once I build a firmer base of fitness I can see mixing in some  exercises that involve lifting weights or sandbags or something. For how I am happy with the progress I have made so far
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2011, 02:17:47 PM »
Quote from: ridgestrider on January 31, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: Wlfdg on January 31, 2011, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: Morff on January 31, 2011, 09:34:34 AM
There is no such thing as paleo exercise. Paleolithic man (and woman) stayed fit through the things they had to do to survive. I wouldn't worry about what exercise is paleo or not. Develop an exercise program for yourself , or buy a video. There are lots of exercise plans out there form free to extremely expensive. Chances are if you look around this page you'll find a link for one. Don't sit there and wonder what program is best. Get up and move and after a while you'll figure out what works best for you.
What?  ??? ::)
Where do these people come from ???

Well, IF you read it several times it starts to make a little sense I think:

First Paleolithic man didn't need to "exercise"; he walked everywhere; lifted heavy things like wood and the game he hunted;chased game or was chased; scrapped and tanned hides; practiced with his throwing stick or spears. He was active and used is body in different ways all the time.

Second, the important thing is to get up and do something. Did cave men do push ups or pull ups or lift weights? No, but he did use his body and in ways that some exercises mimic.
I hope Morff isn't saying just go out and do something/anything with giving it any thought or doing any research... that would be a bad idea.

But on the other hand the question is why someone is here:

What is paleo/primal to them. What are their goals, their motives?

I want to be fit and healthy. I don't want big muscles or to run 26.2 miles, I want to be strong enough and fit enough to do the things I enjoy, hiking backpacking, rock climbing, canoing etc.

The path I follow suits my world view, my philosophy, my goals. I try to use my body the way we evolved using it or mimic those the best I can. I walk, hike, do body weight exercises, and sprint. Once I build a firmer base of fitness I can see mixing in some  exercises that involve lifting weights or sandbags or something. For how I am happy with the progress I have made so far


That is a good way of putting it

The original loaded carry, killing game and throwing it on your back to trasnsport it.

Or what if your hut/cave needed some remodeling?  Grab some logs, some huge rocks, daily life and survival WAS the Paleolithic workout, it was borne out of necessity.

El cogolerro brings up another good point though, competitive nature.  I'm sure cavemen had friendly competitions like that, lifting heavy items, pulling yourself up to a branch as many times as you can, etc etc.  That's human nature, at least for men, to compete and challenge eachother.
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