Author Topic: Cautionary tales  (Read 35369 times)

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2009, 02:37:56 PM »
Wow, that's awful! I'm so sorry, Lone_wolf!

I had a very nasty incident recently with a bad scallop. Man, I used to love those things, but I won't touch them ever again now. I thought I was going to die!!!

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2009, 08:07:42 PM »
I've noticed other problems with Chinese food besides the ones you mentioned.

Soy sauce - commercial soy sauce is brewed with wheat.
Sesame oil - messes with your digestion if you're not accustomed to eating it.
MSG - nuff said.

Yes.  This place does not use MSG - or at last didn't last time I checked - and there's not a lot of soy sauce in the dishes, but there might have been quite a bit of sesame oil in the soup.


They always say that they don't use MSG because they probably don't buy it and sprinkle it on the food. But they don't  even know that it is in mostly all bottled sauces these days under different aliases.


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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2009, 09:38:07 PM »
They always say that they don't use MSG because they probably don't buy it and sprinkle it on the food. But they don't  even know that it is in mostly all bottled sauces these days under different aliases.

I'm pretty sure this place makes their own sauces.  It's not your run of the mill Chinese restaurant.

At other Chinese restaurants, I usually either get "we don't use very much MSG" or "we can make the dishes without MSG if you want".  Then if I actually get them to make it without MSG, it's completely tasteless, because they don't know how to cook without using MSG as a crutch.

Sorry, my own little rant there.  This place is different.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2009, 09:18:48 AM by Warren Dew »

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2009, 03:12:20 PM »
I wonder if I should talk about the cake incident, even though it was three weeks ago.

Wow.  If there was ever any personal story which convincingly points out the poisonous nature of things like cake, and what a sugar overdose can do to a person, yours is it, Lone Wolf.   Thanks for that.  

I rarely have violent reactions to junk food.  For me, it's more of a slow cooking in a crappy metabolic stew.  During my two-year hiatus from eating healthful paleo foods, I had many bouts with just plain feeling lousy, bloated, and hopeless.  Another bad thing about eating all the junk foods- it's debilitating with regards to regular exercise.  It was probably most of the reason that I didn't do much exercise over that two years.  Just now and then I'd get frustrated and go out and jog, despite feeling crappy.  But then I'd go right back to eating my junk foods, and losing interest in exercise.  It's like a self-induced hibernation, for me - on top of the seasonal slowdown I experience in the Autumn and Winter months.  But it lasts year-round.

On the positive side, sticking to paleo foods for at least a couple of weeks causes your energy levels to soar, and you feel like doing more physical activity, just naturally.  Or it seems to be that way for me, at least.  Less than an hour ago, I had a little impromptu workout- just some pushups, and a few dumbell exercises - one-arm bent rows, bicep curls, and pullovers on a bench.  Nothing fancy; hardly even got sweaty, but I felt like expending a bit of my excess energy.  I hadn't planned on doing that; it was just on the spur of the moment.  I feel great.   And this is only two weeks into eating paleo full-time.
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Re: Cautionary tales control day
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2009, 09:23:02 AM »
Someone mentioned in another thread that it would be useful to see what people who have been paleo for a while eat on a typical day.  I've only been paleo for a bit over a year, and I regard not having to keep track of my food as one of the advantages of paleo, but I figure one day won't hurt too much.  I'll update this through the day so I won't forget anything.

Walnuts - approx. 1 oz
One large strawberry
Bacon and egg - one slice uncured bacon, one organic cage free omega 3 egg
Another 1 oz walnuts
4 oz steak - normally I'd have grass fed ground beef instead, but there was some steak left over
5 red grapes
4 oz collard greens
1 tin sardines in water (3 oz)
2 large onion slices fried in 1 tsp grass fed beef tallow
4 oz wild coho salmon fillet
1/4 cup sliced mini portabello mushrooms fried in 2 tsp grass fed beef tallow
small spinach salad with 3 small strawberries
1/4 oz 85% dark chocolate (Green & Black organic) - my cheat for the day
1 more walnut
3 more grapes

I think that comes to about 1600 kcal total - slightly more than I expected, as walnuts have a higher caloric content than I previously realized.  I should cut back on them.  I'm too lazy to figure out the numbers on a nutrient by nutrient basis, though Marika is welcome to if she wants to!
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Re: Cautionary tales #3
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2009, 08:07:19 PM »
So, you'd think I'd learn, but apparently not.

We had Thanksgiving at my place - my brother came in with his wife and three sons, plus my mother, and of course our own family.  In anticipation of this, I bought a lot of groceries, including some nonpaleo stuff - especially the Green & Black chocolate, which was half price.

Well, after everyone left on Friday, I still had a whole nonpaleo pecan pie left over, plus a big bar of Green & Black 55% chocolate with hazelnuts and currants.  The other 45% is, of course, mostly sugar.

Well, I figured that if I only ate the insides of the pie and not the crust, I'd be skipping the flour and trans fats at least - and the chocolate did have hazelnuts and currants in it, so it wasn't completely nonpaleo!  So I split some with my wife - then over the course of the day yesterday, I ate the rest.  It was probably at least 200g of sugar.

Naturally, I woke up this morning with a sore throat.  Uh oh!  I gulped down some water and a vitamin C pill - fight nonpaleo with nonpaleo, I figure - and I got out of the house to get some sunshine, while staying well hydrated all day.

The sore throat actually went away by noon, but then I had a bad head cold with congestion and a headache all afternoon.

I'm actually feeling a bit better now after staying paleo for the rest of the day and having some bone broth - and I did get hungry in the evening, which doesn't usually happen until I'm recovering.  We'll see what happens tomorrow.
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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2009, 04:45:19 AM »
Yes, you'd think I'd learn too! I too tried to stay as paleo as possible, but still had a few bites here and there of some bad stuff....and sure enough, REALLY regretted it!!!

The worst was some carrot cake with super sweet frosting. My stomach was so upset and bloated that night!! I actually was awakened by my stomach noises, they were so loud! And I couldn't get back to sleep. It was awful. I recovered fairly quickly though. Hope you do too!


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Re: Cautionary tales #3
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2009, 04:11:51 PM »
So, you'd think I'd learn, but apparently not....

Just to close the loop, I'll mention how this turned out.  That post was from a Sunday; I was sick enough to stay home from work on Monday, and was sick but went in on Tuesday.  I figured it was just a sore throat and thus not too communicable, as I wasn't coughing.

Then I felt well enough by that Friday to have a couple ounces of chocolate - talk about not learning! - and got sick again for the weekend!  That time I was well enough to go in to work on Monday, though.

So, anyway, not nearly as bad as tale #1, when I had a lingering cough for six weeks, and I'm fine now, but I really need to stay away from the sugar!

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2009, 09:04:34 AM »
you know Im very strict during the weekdays but on saturday's I will relax and have a non- paleo meal and dessert, and unless it is obviously loaded with salt or sugar I wont feel sick at all. Though maybe Im always fine because I am still young...?

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2009, 11:28:57 AM »
Being young definitely helps.

These particular cases happened when I was on a mostly meat diet and so had little or no vitamin C intake.  If you are eating fruit with vitamin C, which is perfectly allowed on paleo, that would likely help.

Finally, your cheats may not involve a lot of pure sugar or starch, or may involve inflammatory foods that compensate for the immunosuppressive effects of carbohydrates.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2009, 09:04:10 PM »
Just to provide more data on the sugar and vitamin C thing:

This past monday night, Dec 21-22, we held solstice vigil, which involved a fair amount of eating.  Over the two days, I ate about a whole pecan pie's worth of filling, albeit from honey instead of sugar.  That amounted to about 400g of sugar, albeit from a paleo source (honey).  I also took one vitamin C pill each of the two days as a precaution - 1000mg of vitamin C total.

I did not get sick.  I don't know whether that was because honey is better than sugar, or because of the vitamin C.  I don't plan to make that a regular habit - vitamin C pills are obviously not paleo - but around the holidays it's hard to avoid some sweets.  I did gain a couple of pounds.

Now for Christmas, I'm having a lot of sweets again, and this time it's not all paleo due in part to a box of Godiva chocolates received as a gift.  I'm taking the precautionary vitamin C again.  We'll see if the vitamin C is enough to compensate for the modern industrial age sugars.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2009, 12:39:28 AM »
Surprised more people aren't posting about their christmas cheat mishaps :)

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2009, 02:04:57 AM »
been eating junk the past 3 days and woke up with a sore throat today... could it be?  :-\

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2009, 03:46:51 AM »
Warren, keep us posted!


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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2009, 05:58:02 AM »
Surprised more people aren't posting about their christmas cheat mishaps :)
I confess  :-\ After splitboarding yesterday I ate an entire bar of Green & Blacks 85% chocolate. I feel fine though. Had a Paleo dinner. I ate almost an entire roast duck and a good size portion of spinach and carrots cooked in duck fat.