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Offline samjohn

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2010, 02:13:29 AM »
Buy some Syrup of ipecac, and surreptitiously drink a bit after they next give you chocolate. You'll spew for hours, they'll feel really bad and never bring it again.

Or you could just not eat it :)

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Re: Cautionary tales #7
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2010, 07:24:45 AM »
I had 1250 mg vitamin C to try to prevent ill effects; we'll see if it works.  Daughter had a fever Sunday afternoon although she is not paleo.

The vitamin C evidently worked.  I think maybe the issue on the chocolate is that we need to figure out something else that we can get that's "special" but doesn't break the paleo diet.

The July 4th weekend didn't work out quite as well.  We went to a cookout on July 3, where I restricted myself to fresh fruit, hamburgers, and hot dogs - the last presumably not paleo.  Then we had Chinese as we do each week, but had a dish with a fair amount of sauce that we don't normally have.  We then got intestinal cramps and diarrhea - for me, after each meal for a couple of days.  I'm not sure what the culprit is - the hot dogs that got eliminated in the first and most painful bout, or the Chinese that was immediately before that bout - but I think it still counts as a cautionary tale.  It wasn't too bad, though - just a few painful bowel movements.


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« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2010, 09:54:29 PM »
I think maybe the issue on the chocolate is that we need to figure out something else that we can get that's "special" but doesn't break the paleo diet.

I managed to refrain from getting my wife chocolates for her birthday last Saturday.  Instead I fixed filet mignon and salmon and other good stuff, on our wedding china and silver to make it feel special.  Plus I looked after the kids a while so she could relax, and bought her a pair of boots that actually fit.  I think it went over okay.

I kept track of my food today so I could post normal day for me.

Snacks throughout the day and evening:  1 oz walnuts, 1 oz almonds, 5 oz strawberries, 1 boiled egg, 2 slices uncured bacon
Brunch around noon:  2 slices uncured bacon, 2 eggs fried in bacon grease
4pm snack/meal:  5 oz 80% grass fed ground beef patty, 3 sliced fried mushrooms
Dinner 8pm:  3 oz 80% grass fed ground beef patty, 1/2 oz baby spinach, 2 oz strawberries, 2 baby carrots

Some people might consider bacon not strictly paleo because it contained sea salt.  Usually I have more nuts and less bacon.

Protein/fat/carb kcal by diet component:

0/3/29 strawberries
15/150/15 walnuts
20/120/20 almonds
27/48/3 boiled egg
52/120/0 bacon
54/126/0 eggs
8/126/8 fried mushrooms (my guess)
167/244/0 hamburgers
2/50/18 fried onions
2/0/2 spinach
0/0/10 carrots

347/987/105 = 1439 total

Offline Warren Dew

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Re: Cautionary tales #8
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2010, 08:10:36 PM »
I had one slice - about 1 oz - of orange sauce chicken today.  It includes nonpaleo breading and a sweet sauce that undoubtedly contains sugar.

I've been suffering from intestinal upset since.  It's not actually cramps, but it's certainly not comfortable.

I've got to get away from thinking, "okay, just a little bit".

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2010, 04:26:01 AM »
ditto ice cream cake, which btw if you read the ingredient list bears little resemblance to either cake or ice cream.


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Re: Cautionary tales #8
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2010, 05:34:27 PM »
I had one slice - about 1 oz - of orange sauce chicken today.  It includes nonpaleo breading and a sweet sauce that undoubtedly contains sugar.

I've been suffering from intestinal upset since.  It's not actually cramps, but it's certainly not comfortable.

I just wanted to close the loop on this one.  I felt better after having a left over beef rib that night.  However, a cold went around our family the next week.  It probably came from a friend who visited Saturday evening - no symptoms, but his wife was home sick - and monday evening, when he was sick but tried very carefully not to give us anything.  Our catching it may or may not have had anything to do with the cheats on sunday.

Margaret, who is not particularly paleo, was throwing up all day tuesday.  She was still sick on wednesday, and was somewhat cranky and needed extra sleep for the rest of the week.

Duncan, who is on breast milk and a small amount of mostly paleo solids - some of the pulled pork he eats may have a bit of sugar in it - threw up once on wednesday.  He didn't seem different from usual the rest of the week, but at 8 months, we might not have been able to tell.

My wife got normal cold symptoms starting wednesday, and they got bad enough for her to stay home from work in bed on friday.  She continued to have symptoms, including congestion and headaches, through the weekend.  She had eaten the other 85% of the orange sauce chicken cheat, which might or might not have had anything to do with her getting hit hard.  She also has more fruit than me.

I may have been slightly crankier than usual starting on wednesday, and had postnasal drip on the weekend, along with one headache.  I was never close to the "stay home from work" state, though.

We are all fine a week later.  There seems to be a correlation between how paleo we are and how few symptoms we get, but four is not a lot of data points.

I will say that before paleo, my wife's colds used to cause one day or two of lost work, and mine would cause me to lose three or four days.  Now, she still loses a day, but I don't lose any.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2010, 10:13:54 AM by Warren Dew »

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2010, 06:13:05 AM »
I will say that before paleo, my wife's colds used to cause one day or two of lost work, and mine would cause me to lose three or four days.  Now, she still loses a day, but I don't lose any.

Same here. I just say I have a Superhero Immune System now :)

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Cautionary tales #9
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2010, 08:35:16 AM »
On return from Thanksgiving at the in-laws I find that I have some arthritic symptoms in my left forefinger, similar to what I had before I cut out nightshades.  Possible causes might include one or more of the following:

- I had approximately one green bean.  I need to resist peer pressure from my mother in law even more strongly, I guess.

- I had about 1/4 tomato's worth of some kind of chutney on a fish dish.

- I had much larger amounts of lean meat than usual, because my in laws cut the fat off everything, sigh.

- I didn't get my vitamin D supplements while there.

The tomato seems like the most likely culprit, though it seems a bit strange that it took 2-3 days for the symptoms to appear.  Still, the elimination diet I used to identify the nightshade problem worked on one week increments, so maybe the effect is delayed, rather than cumulative as I had thought.

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Re: Cautionary tales #9
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2010, 01:12:54 PM »
On return from Thanksgiving at the in-laws I find that I have some arthritic symptoms in my left forefinger, similar to what I had before I cut out nightshades.  Possible causes might include one or more of the following:

- I had approximately one green bean.  I need to resist peer pressure from my mother in law even more strongly, I guess.

- I had about 1/4 tomato's worth of some kind of chutney on a fish dish.

- I had much larger amounts of lean meat than usual, because my in laws cut the fat off everything, sigh.

- I didn't get my vitamin D supplements while there.

The tomato seems like the most likely culprit, though it seems a bit strange that it took 2-3 days for the symptoms to appear.  Still, the elimination diet I used to identify the nightshade problem worked on one week increments, so maybe the effect is delayed, rather than cumulative as I had thought.

I find it hard to imagine that little bit of a tomato would affect you, but I suppose it is possible.

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Re: Cautionary tales #9
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2010, 07:35:35 PM »
I find it hard to imagine that little bit of a tomato would affect you, but I suppose it is possible.

I didn't think so either, or I wouldn't have eaten it, but really none of those cheats seems big enough to have such an effect immediately.  If vitamin D were a water soluble vitamin and left the body quickly, that would seem likely, but vitamin D is actually fat soluble and is supposed to have a half life in the body of months.

At any rate, it's all better now, so whatever it was, it was fixed.  If I'd known how quickly it would go away, I'd have tried to fix them one at a time to get more information.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2010, 10:10:08 PM »
This isn't actually a cautionary tale, just a reminder to myself that even paleo doesn't give us complete immunity to disease.

My kids have been sick with bad cold symptoms for over a week now, and starting about a week ago I had a barely perceptible tickle in the back of my throat as well.  Then when I was late to an appointment with Duncan, I ran flat out for half a mile in dry 20F air, ignoring the burning feeling in my lungs.  Bad idea.  The tickle became a definite sore throat - a mild sore throat rather than a severe sore throat, but a sore throat nonetheless.

Over the week, the progress of the disease has paralleled what would have happened before paleo, but with less severe symptoms.  I was definitely sick, but never so uncomfortable that I'd have to skip work.  There were one or two days in there when my thinking was sluggish - before paleo, I attributed that to plugged sinuses, but it seems to be an independent effect, since I never really had plugged sinuses this time around.

Anyway, mostly recovered now.  Note to self:  if you're running fast enough in dry enough air to get a burning feeling in your lungs, don't ignore it (doh).  Listen to your body.

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« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2010, 10:10:39 PM »
Also, food for today since I happen to be posting and happen to remember:

Breakfast:  1.5 slices uncured bacon, 1 pastured egg

"Lunch":  1 cup organic pastured chicken broth (good! - never buy commercial chicken broth again), boiled egg

Dinner:  1/4 pound 75% lean grass fed ground beef patty medium w/2 crimini mushrooms fried in the fat; then for dessert a second ground beef patty with another fried mushroom.  I didn't think I was hungry but I was.

Snacks through the day:  half a dozen strawberries, 1 boiled egg, couple of walnuts

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« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2010, 05:44:26 PM »
Since that last post was for a fairly low food day, I figured I'd post for a feast day too.

Breakfast:  2 slices uncured bacon, 2 pastured eggs

Lunch:  4 oz ground beef patty medium w/2 crimini mushrooms fried in the fat, 1 cup organic pastured chicken broth

Dinner:  12 oz roast pork loin, 1/2 medium onion and 2 crimini mushrooms fried in bacon grease and tallow, 3 oz stir fried gai lan (leafy chinese vegetable), 2 oz squash

Snacks through the day:  about 2 oz walnuts, 3 oz blackberries and blueberries, 1 unsalted almond, 3 salted cashews (bad boy!).

I feel really full, but happy.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2010, 08:53:03 AM by Warren Dew »

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Re: cautionary tales
« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2010, 04:06:52 PM »
Since that last post was for a fairly low food day, I figured I'd post for a feast day too.

Breakfast:  2 slices uncured bacon, 2 pastured eggs

Lunch:  4 oz ground beef patty medium w/2 crimini mushrooms fried in the fat, 1 cup organic pastured chicken broth

Dinner:  12 oz roast pork loin, 1/2 medium onion and 2 crimini mushrooms fried in bacon grease and tallow, 3 oz stir fried gai lan (leafy chinese vegetable), 2 oz squash

Snacks through the day:  about 2 oz walnuts, 3 oz blackberries and blueberries, 1 unsalted almond, 3 salted cashews (bad boy!).

I feel really full, but happy.


hehe, this could almost be my food diary, but a little bigger!

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« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2010, 08:42:17 AM »
I think I conclude that large amounts of supplemental vitamin C helps make up for even nonpaleo sweets from the standpoint of the immune system.  The only thing that remains to be tested is whether paleo honey based sweets could be handled without vitamin C.

I'm finally testing this.  I made a pecan pie with honey as the only sweetener a couple days ago - I was planning to make it for Christmas but ran out of time - and I ended eating about 2/3 of the filling.  That amounts to around 240g of sugars in the honey.  I did not take any supplementary vitamin C, though I have been eating a few small fruit.

I had a bit of, well, not quite a runny nose yesterday, though that may have been partly due to shoveling snow in the cold outside.  We'll see whether I end up catching anything.  None of the kids are sick, so it could also just be luck that I'm not being exposed to anything.

My near vision has not gotten substantially worse this time, unlike last time.  I am of course out of ketosis.  I have gained a couple of pounds, which may or may not be glycogen related; I am feeling bloated in the lower abdomen, so it may be more of an issue of water retention in the intestines.  I have had some gas which was slightly uncomfortable, though nowhere near the painful gas I had before paleo.  I've had a slightly achy back on waking up, but that may be related to the snow shoveling.

Edit 2010-01-05:

I'm pretty much back to normal now, and did not any symptoms beyond those listed above, which went away shortly afterwards.  The couple of pounds are gone, whatever they were, and I'm starting to get back into ketosis - no significant headaches or such this time around.

I had one practice while out of ketosis and definitely felt like I didn't have the edge I have in ketosis.  Of course, it might have been from lack of practice over the holidays.  I also felt really sore in the thighs for a few days afterwards.  We'll see what happens this weekend, if the practice is on.

Edit 2011-03-09:

Made some pecan tarts which are like pecan pie filling, in creme brulee dishes.  The ingredients are paleo, but include a lot of honey.  This was in late January or early February.  I had the equivalent of a quarter pecan pie of filling over a day or so.

My farsightedness came back in spades.  It was quite as bad as just prepaleo, but it was close.  Now, over a month later, I'm partially recovered, but I'm afraid the the large amounts of honey might have bumped my permanent level of near vision loss a bit.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2011, 01:36:08 PM by Warren Dew »