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Offline Warren Dew

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Re: Experiment
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2011, 11:44:05 AM »
I may have spoken too soon, or this may be unrelated.

The kids got very sick shortly after my last update, about a week ago - vomiting up everything they ingested with some signs of dehydration.  They're still vomiting occasionally a week later.  I blame my wife's blog post on how wonderful kids are.

My wife came down with it on Sunday, with vomiting every half hour and diarrhea for two days.

I had a headache and diarrhea most of yesterday, but no vomiting.  I did get severe chills in the evening as well.  I'm feeling much better today, though.

I need to figure out the difference between my wife's diet and mine that makes her get more sick.  Of course, it might just be greater exposure to the kids.

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Interlude
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2011, 10:44:42 AM »
I'm posting what I ate for thursday, because it was an unusual day.  I'd been shoveling snow all day for a week, and my shoulders were sore and had been for a couple of days.  If it were an exercise program, I'd be due for a rest day, but the snow doesn't pay attention to my preferences.

I figured I'd up the protein to see if that helped.  Normally I have around 8-12 oz of meat or equivalent, for 56-84g of protein or so, probably about 1-1.5g per kg of lean body mass.  On thursday I had

2 slices uncured bacon
2 fried eggs

4 oz grass fed ground beef patty (75% lean)
0.5 oz or so fried mushrooms

4 oz grass fed ground beef patty (75% lean) (not part of my normal routine)

6 oz grass fed ground beef patty (75% lean) (usually I would have a 4 oz patty)
1 oz or so fried mushrooms
1 oz or so fried onions
1 oz or so baby spinach
2 blackberries

snacks through the day (may be approximate since I don't remember exactly):
0.5 oz or so walnuts, before I realized I needed protein rather than fat
2 or so clementines
1 oz or so blackberries or strawberries (not sure if I had run out of strawberries by thursday)

That comes to about 18 oz meat equivalent, or 126g of protein, about 2.3g per kg lean body mass (1g per lb).

I started getting less sore by evening, and by the next morning, the soreness had largely passed, even though I continued shoveling snow both thursday and friday (and got sore again friday night / saturday morning after eating less meat friday).  I'm thinking that the amount and quality of protein on the paleo diet is a big factor in the reduction in delayed onset muscle soreness.
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Re: Cautionary tales #10
« Reply #62 on: March 09, 2011, 01:41:31 PM »
A couple weeks ago, the kids were down with some kind of bad cold, and as usual when my family is sick, I was feeling a little tired.  I skipped making dinner one night and we ordered out for Chinese instead.  We included some hot & sour soup, which I believed didn't include a lot of starch as thickener, since this place's hot and sour soup stays liquid in the refrigerator.  The rest of the food was mostly chicken, shrimp, and veggies, largely paleo.

Well, I felt impelled to have most of the rest of the quart the next day.  Then I got a sore throat and a persistent cough for over a week - the same symptoms the kids seemed to have, for the same amount of time.

I'm wondering if this place uses wheat flour instead of starch for thickener.  Having the rest of the soup felt more like an addiction reaction than like how I normally get hungry for food.

I'm not sure if this is a "lesson learned" or a "still haven't learned my lesson."

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2011, 02:22:09 PM »
eating out is such a minefield!

You do seem to really suffer on anything non-paleo... :-\

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2011, 02:41:05 PM »
Probably MSG was involved. Even if Chinese restaurants go out of their way to try not to add MSG, they do, even without knowing.

Suspects: stock cubes (Maggi, Knorr) and/or soy sauce.


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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #65 on: March 09, 2011, 04:49:45 PM »
I had a run-in with a hibachi/sushi buffet and grill this weekend.  My husband had been asking if we could try this place for months, and I kept holding out because of my fear of getting MSG'd or glutenated, along with my general leeriness of buffets.

I thought I'd managed to avoid the worst of it by sticking to sushi, even though I realized near the end of the meal that there was an Unknown Ingredient in a few of the rolls I'd eaten that looked like something made from wheat.

Two days later the migraines, brain fog, and stomach cramping started.  By the evening, that was followed up with bloody diarrhea.  Today was better but my stomach is still a little off.  I'm guessing it was gluten from the neurological issues, and the GI issues were bad enough to make me reconsider  that I might be celiac.

Sorry for hijacking your thread.  My dang husband was fine despite cheating way worse than I did.   Some people are just less sensitive.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #66 on: March 09, 2011, 09:04:50 PM »
You do seem to really suffer on anything non-paleo... :-\
With two kids who are being taken to kid destinations like the Children's Museum on an almost daily basis, there is always some kind of virus ready to take advantage when I make a mistake.  I just have to make fewer mistakes.

Probably MSG was involved. Even if Chinese restaurants go out of their way to try not to add MSG, they do, even without knowing.
MSG might be part of it, but I'm pretty sure nonfruit carbohydrates taking out my immune system were why I got the cough.  I think MSG overdose would be more likely to give me intestinal cramps and diarrhea - which, come to think of it, I got a mild case of too.

Sparrow, I get that kind of GI issue much more often now than I did before paleo.  I think it's my body trying to get rid of the bad stuff as quickly as possible, before it can do long term injury.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2011, 07:40:43 AM »
I'm too lazy to keep a food journal.  However, every now and then I have a major cheat on the diet - with disastrous results.  I thought I'd keep track of them here.

So anyway, a week and a half ago, I wanted to finish a project estimate that was going to be discussed the next day.  I figured I'd just stay up and finish it, but it took longer than I expected.  I ended up staying up all night, eating about half a pound of dark chocolate to stay awake.  From a paleo standpoint, I guess that's a lifestyle cheat and a major diet cheat.

Anyway, I stayed awake pretty well, and the client was pleased with the estimate, so I was feeling pretty good.  However, shortly thereafter, I started getting a sore throat.  Then the sore throat was replaced by a head cold.  Then the sore throat came back, I started getting aches in bones and muscles, a cough, and eventually a bit of a fever.

I finally went to the doctor today, mostly because I wanted a strep test and antibiotics if the fever indicated strep.  They also tested me for flu, probably because of the swine flu epidemic.

Well, I had flu all right - I tested positive for influenza A, likely H1N1 or swine flu.  Not only that, though, I also tested positive for influenza B as well.  In other words, I had two types of flu at the same time!

No more chocolate all nighters for me!

OK you scared me good now... but I dont think I can go through half a pound of chocolate. >_< scary!

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Re: Cautionary tales #11
« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2011, 05:52:53 PM »
Two things to report.

Two weeks ago, I had a head cold for a day.  The kids were out for several days, but still, but it's still more of a reaction that I usuallly have - they get colds every few weeks, and the last time I had noticeable symptoms was my previous post in March.  I think this may have been from eating at restaurants twice on the immediately preceding weekend, and having meat dishes that had unidentifiable sauces that I didn't do a good enough job getting rid of.

One week ago, I made a beef stew using a recipe that called for wine.  I think a lot of the alcohol was still in the stew when it was served - the meat was great, but the broth was yucky to me, as alcohol always does.  I had a lot of it anyway as I figured in a stew, there were nutrients that got cooked out into the broth.  The next day I had a mild headache all day and felt dehydrated, so I think I got a hangover.  I think the stew would have been fine without the wine, so I'll try it that way next time.

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Interlude
« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2011, 05:58:28 PM »
I'm posting my food for today, because it was the first rib roast of the season!

Three slices of uncured bacon
Two eggs fried in the bacon grease

Approx. 1 oz cashews
Two medium boiled eggs
4 oz "natural" (no sugar added) apple sauce
Approx. 1 oz walnuts
2/3 can sardines
Apple

Approx. 6 oz rib roast
Chinese broccoli stir fried in uncured bacon grease and juice from last week's pork roast
Onions and mushrooms pan fried in uncured bacon grease and grass fed tallow

More roast beef
Cocoa snack:  2 tsp coconut oil, 2 tsp coconut cream, 2 tsp unsweetened cocoa powder (probably not paleo), 2 drops honey
4 oz "natural" apple sauce
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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2012, 12:03:01 PM »
Another year, another case of gastroenteritis.

We spent all day flying on Chrismas eve to visit my brother.  While we were there, my wife was feeling very nauseous, though that may not have been only the sickness.  Then on the way back on Thursday, she was using the air sick bags like mad.

The following night, my daughter was puking.  Two nights later, my son and I - the most strictly paleo members of the family - were puking.

I don't think we ate anything obviously nonpaleo, though the beef I got at my brother's was grain fed.  Dehydration from two plane trips might have contributed.  And of course, Duncan and I had had days of exposure from the rest of the family, plus whatever exposure they got before that.

Anyway, a reminder that paleo doesn't make us completely immune to disease, at least not in my case.  Interesting that, looking back, it's been almost exactly a year since the last time gastroenteritis hit our family.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2012, 02:48:39 PM »
Ick.  Sorry to hear that :(  What part of the world/country do you live in?  I'm in the mid-western US and we have had unseasonably warm weather with sickness going through a lot of people like mad.  I am starting to believe that this crazy weather is contributing to some of the sickness out there...

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2012, 05:01:41 PM »
I live in Boston, and we were visiting my brother in Utah.  There was apparently an outbreak of gastroenteritis in the Salt Lake City area around the time we were out there.

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« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2012, 08:46:09 PM »
Rib roast for dinner today, as I found one with a good amount of fat at the grocery this week.  So good!

A couple of times in the past month or so I've been hungry at work without having brought food in, and ended up buying packets of cashews roasted in peanut oil.  This seems to be correlated with borderline diarrhea for the next day.  I think it's the peanut oil as I haven't noticed this happening with cashews roasted in other oils.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2012, 05:54:37 PM »
Warren,

     In regards to your stomach flu, it is interesting that you mentioned such an experience because during the exact same time period, my entire family, as well as five of my friends who stayed at my dad's apartment during that weekend, came down with a really serious virus with the exact same symptoms and duration as yours. We decided to labeled it as the Norovirus, and now I believe that your family and my family experienced the same virus.

     As well, that virus made my realize just how contagious some bacteria is in our modern world. Of course it didn't help that I had just watched that new movie Contagion just days before catching it.

     Anyways, I'm just rambling, but I found it interesting that we both shared the exact same experience on the exact same day(s). The nine people who I came in contact with that weekend did not have the best Christmas Day.

                                                          -Zensenji
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