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Offline Warren Dew

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #90 on: August 05, 2013, 10:31:38 PM »
My 5 year old daughter, who is not that paleo, came down with a bad cold yesterday.  I sat up with her to help her get to sleep, after which I started sniffling occasionally too.  2000mg of vitamin C put a stop to that, although from that and work stress, I still ended up with an annoying headache for half the day today.  Much better than prepaleo, but not as good as it could be.

This prompted me to improve my diet today, after it was too late, of course.

Lunch:  from a salad bar at work, boiled egg, half an ounce of bacon topping, a little shredded carrot, a slice of cucumber.

Afternoon:  3 slices uncured bacon and 3 organic omega 3 eggs, small handful of roasted salted cashews (not strictly paleo).

Dinner:  5 baby back ribs with no sauce, a few ounces of pulled pork, some collard greens, half a dozen strawberries.  Edit:  plus another handful of cashews.  I need to figure out a way to have extra fat with the barbeque.
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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #91 on: August 06, 2013, 01:41:30 PM »
I need to figure out a way to have extra fat with the barbeque.


Perhaps make a BBQ sauce made with a base of good fat, be it grass fed butter (if you allow it) or perhaps red palm or coconut oil.   :P


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Re: Interlude
« Reply #92 on: September 15, 2013, 06:38:53 PM »
Today's food, posted because I could remember it all, so not a random sample.

Afternoon:  a handful of salted cashews roasted in sunflower oil - borderline paleo - and a handful of macadamias.

Dinner:  slice and a half of rib roast, maybe 12 oz total.  2 small hamburgers, total 4 oz, because my daughter refuses any other meat but didn't finish what I cooked for her.  Generous helping of asparagus, in a lemon juice and pastured butter sauce (not strictly paleo).  5000 IU vitamin D.

Water through the day.  Sparkling water with dinner.

I wish I could have rib roast every night.  I wouldn't need to eat anything else.

Edit:  a few more ounces of rib roast.  Also, a mixture of 2tsp coconut butter, 1tsp coconut oil, 1 tsp unsweetened cacao, 1 drop honey.
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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #93 on: September 29, 2013, 07:41:17 PM »
Took my wife to a French restaurant in Boston for her birthday a week and a half ago, and just have to write a comment.

The cooks there were excellent, no doubt.  However, the food was not what was expected.  I had the filet, and there was a big hunk of meat, cooked perfectly, but extremely lean.  There were no fats in sight.  Same for my wife's meal, which was fish.  One would think there would at least be some high quality bearnaise sauce for the meat and asparagus.

We were so fat starved by the end of the meal that we ended up splitting the sampler dessert despite it being nonpaleo.  Fortunately all four samples were high in fat and with a minimum of sugar.  We did end up leaving behind the pastry shell of the profiterole, but the creme brulee and the chocolate mousse samples disappeared entirely, as did the fourth sample which I forget because my wife ate most of it.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #94 on: October 01, 2013, 08:51:46 AM »

I will ask for real butter on the side. I say "real" because often people don't differentiate between butter, margarine, etc. I top nearly every restaurant steak with butter. As far as fish goes, I typically go for cold water fatty varieties, but I'll still seek out the butter as they are often prepared so that the rendered fat is removed.

Took my wife to a French restaurant in Boston for her birthday a week and a half ago, and just have to write a comment.

The cooks there were excellent, no doubt.  However, the food was not what was expected.  I had the filet, and there was a big hunk of meat, cooked perfectly, but extremely lean.  There were no fats in sight.  Same for my wife's meal, which was fish.  One would think there would at least be some high quality bearnaise sauce for the meat and asparagus.

We were so fat starved by the end of the meal that we ended up splitting the sampler dessert despite it being nonpaleo.  Fortunately all four samples were high in fat and with a minimum of sugar.  We did end up leaving behind the pastry shell of the profiterole, but the creme brulee and the chocolate mousse samples disappeared entirely, as did the fourth sample which I forget because my wife ate most of it.
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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #95 on: October 01, 2013, 03:45:10 PM »
Good idea, thanks!  There was some butter brought with the bread, but I didn't think to put it on the steak.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #96 on: January 19, 2014, 01:54:41 PM »
I had a mild cold for a couple days earlier this week - a mild sniffle and a bit of congestion.  It wasn't enough to keep me from work, so far better than before paleo when I'd be in bed for several days, but it was still annoying.

I had in the previous week or so started to have a couple of squares - about half an ounce - of 85% dark chocolate each day.  I'm not sure if that had anything to do with it.  I'm fairly certain I caught it from the nonpaleo daughter, who has pretty much had a constant cold or sniffle since school began, but usually I can avoid getting anything from her.

I did have a mild sore throat last fall that I never go around to logging.  I don't think I had any nonpaleo foods in that case, though I experimented with vitamin C powder dissolved in water - not exactly paleo - which seemed to help initially but may have made things worse later.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #97 on: April 06, 2014, 12:34:33 AM »
Two things to report.

First, about a month ago I had a tickle in the back of my throat.  On my regular grocery run, I got some chocolate truffles for my son who never eats, of a brand that had previously been low in sugar and not especially sweet tasting.

I of course had to try one for myself.  It was a lot sweeter than I remembered, but I ignored the warning sign.  Shortly after eating it, the tickle became a full fledged sore throat.  Of course, once I checked the label, there was a lot more sugar than before.  The sore throat subsequently turned into a cold that was quite bad for paleo, albeit normal for colds I had before paleo.  I then had a persistent cough for weeks, though that might also have had something to do with spending a lot of my work time in an overairconditioned server room for those weeks.

The second thing to report is a cheat today.  I sometimes have a bit of egg custard, which contains some sugar, from a small egg tart when we go to a dim sum restaurant.  Today I ended up eating egg custard and coconut egg custard from two regular sized tarts.  This was enough sugar to make me sleepy and subsequently to give me some gas and loose stool.  I did take 2g of vitamin C soon afterwards to try to make up for the immunosuppressive effects of the sugar; we'll see if that works.  On the plus side, no one else in the family is sick so maybe I've got a better chance than sometimes.

Edit:  oh, and aside from the gas and loose stool, I also got a rash on my left wrist, which might also have been related to the excess sugar.  I spread some coconut oil on it and it disappeared within a couple of hours.

Edit2:  nothing beyond the minor symptoms, so it looks like the vitamin C worked.
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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #98 on: June 13, 2014, 02:25:54 PM »
It's interesting the pattern here about the sugar-sore throat-colds connection.  I don't want to be alarmist, but I am suspicious that it might have to do with MRSA or just regular staph aureus.  The Dutch have an aggressive program of decontaminating people who visit their hospitals and have one of the lowest incidences of MRSA in Europe.  it involves head to toe decon, but also using an antibacterial inside the nostrils for 2 weeks.  Since the agent is not OTC here, I have tried the silver stuff with good results (Curad mkes one that doesn't sting or anything), but I'm sure other things work also.  Just be careful if you experiment too much with natural stuff...  cinnamon powder is still powder and will make you sneeze.  LOL

http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Staphylococcus_aureus#Cell_structure_and_metabolism

Not really sure that this is the answer, but nobody is.  Another way to deal with it might be to probiotic-crowd them out... maybe those people who roll around in mud have the right idea. 

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Interlude
« Reply #99 on: August 22, 2014, 09:41:48 PM »
Dinner tonight:  rare steak for parents and Duncan; hamburgers for Martin; heart shaped hamburgers for Margaret.  Margaret is not totally on board with paleo but apparently the heart shapes make up for lack of carbs.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #100 on: August 23, 2014, 09:42:03 AM »

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #101 on: August 23, 2014, 05:20:35 PM »
It might be worth a try to get her to try steak.  Of course, hamburger is cheaper.

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Re: Cautionary tales #22
« Reply #102 on: December 18, 2014, 10:46:13 PM »
On Saturday, we went to a Christmas party one of Margaret's classmates' father was throwing for the whole class and their families - very cool.  The sauce on the chicken wings was a little sweet, so I had one of the big meatballs in marinara sauce.  I knew from the experience upthread with sausage that having this kind of thing in restaurants could be risky, but there wasn't anything obviously more paleo, so I ate half the meatball - probably about 2 oz.

Oh, and I should note that all the kids had had sniffles for a few days.  I was pretty sure I had what they had, with the only symptom being getting sleepy early, as is normal on paleo.

Anyway, I got sniffles and worse, and on tuesday had a full fledged 'migraine' stress headache, the kind that used to debilitate me every couple of weeks before paleo.  I didn't remember previously having one on paleo, though rereading this thread, it appears I did in 2012.

I am pretty sure there was significant wheat flour or some other source of gluten in the meatball, because just getting too much sugar normally just gives me cold symptoms, and not a severe headache.  I think it was the combination of sugar plus gluten, or whatever it was in the meatball, that gave me the headache.

Still, having a migraine every two years certainly beats having one every two weeks, and I was better by wednesday!

One other note:  based on the ingredients list and percentage of calories from sugar on the Green & Black "85%" dark chocolate, it is more like 75%.  So, I have abandoned it in favor of the Endangered Species 88% dark chocolate, which based on the ingredients list is actually 88%, since I still haven't been able to find a source for the E. Guittard 91% that I really like.  I've been eating too much of the 88% recently, and really need to cut back, but since I started eating too much of it a few weeks ago, I don't think it was the cause - or at least it wasn't the proximate cause - of the headache.


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Re: Cautionary tales #22
« Reply #103 on: December 28, 2014, 07:45:56 AM »
I spoke too soon about the "getting better".  Or rather, the headache got better, but left a persistent minor sore throat and sniffle.

It probably doesn't help that we're having problems with the heat, so half the house is at 60F and the other half at 70F.

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Re: Cautionary tales
« Reply #104 on: January 01, 2015, 11:18:17 AM »
'I also got a rash on my left wrist, which might also have been related to the excess sugar.  I spread some coconut oil on it and it disappeared within a couple of hours.'

highlighted and copied this(above) since I forget how else to do it. Very interesting I've had a rash on my left forearm for months and am having trouble isolating the cause...never thought of a sugar connection. doctors cant give me any answers either..more thoughts and info about your experience with this would be great. The flare ups are really itchy and bumpy when it happens as it is now...and yes a whole lots of sugar lately and carbs  :embarassed: >:( holiday eating weaknesses must be overcome!!!