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Offline lucky3995

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help a sister out?
« on: November 01, 2010, 01:00:24 PM »
Hi everyone,
I am 3 weeks new to Paleo way of eating. My introductory book was Robb Wolff's Paleo Solution. I've started out OK but would greatly appreciate some input as I learn to do this correctly. My goals are to have better digestion (no bloat) and to lose more bodyfat. I'm female, 5'3" and 125 lb. I have no idea of b.f. for now but I only see ribs when i stretch so i'm guessing no lower than 25%. I do Rachel Cosgrove's total body workout of heavy weights 3x week with no cardio yet. I'm in a phase of ridiculous busyness in my life right now and I have also limited cardio to limit my hunger.  I am still having a lot of hunger on paleo, especially in morning so would love some input on my foods. FYI---my hungriest time of day has always been morning. I wake up at 6am and am hungry 20 minutes later. I don't have time to sit and eat but have time to walk and eat. I can prep foods night before for b'fast but can't really sit and eat w/ knife and fork. My eating is interrupted every 2 minutes by two little kids who i'm feeding. Anyway--here is a typical day and I will write hunger levels as well. After reading numerous posts I think i'm not getting enough animal fat to satiate and should probably ditch the nuts. I typically get hungry every 2 hours.

up 6am
7ish--smoothie w/ 1. cup coconut milk, 1 T. almond butter, 1 t. coconut oil, 1/2 c. strawberry. (this morning I added 1/2 scoop whey protein in desperation to stay full but I know this is not paleo). 1 boiled egg. This lasted me until about 9am but couldn't eat b/c I was with a client at time.
11:30 famished. can tuna in water, broccoli slaw, 1 T. olive oil, rice vinegar, handful cashews
3pm...still hungry...boiled egg
tonight--i have paleo approved chili to eat.
I do fine at night. My downfall has always been this insatiable hunger in a.m. which causes me to not be very full and then never really feel full until later in the day. That is what usually leads to cheating.

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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2010, 02:12:57 PM »
I am still having a lot of hunger on paleo, especially in morning so would love some input on my foods

That's not the idea. You should not be hungry. The paradigm of  "normal" deprivation dieting is about eating a limited amount of an unlimited list of foods, whereas that of paleo eating is: eat an unlimited quantity of a limited list of foods. Don't deprive yourself or you'll mess up your metabolism.

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After reading numerous posts I think i'm not getting enough animal fat to satiate and should probably ditch the nuts. I typically get hungry every 2 hours.

up 6am
7ish--smoothie w/ 1. cup coconut milk, 1 T. almond butter, 1 t. coconut oil, 1/2 c. strawberry. (this morning I added 1/2 scoop whey protein in desperation to stay full but I know this is not paleo). 1 boiled egg. This lasted me until about 9am but couldn't eat b/c I was with a client at time.
11:30 famished. can tuna in water, broccoli slaw, 1 T. olive oil, rice vinegar, handful cashews
3pm...still hungry...boiled egg
tonight--i have paleo approved chili to eat.
I do fine at night. My downfall has always been this insatiable hunger in a.m. which causes me to not be very full and then never really feel full until later in the day. That is what usually leads to cheating.

I think the problem is twofold:
a) you are not eating enough
b) you are still eating enough carbs so that you haven't gone into ketosis (meaning adapting to functioning on fat vs. carbs). Functioning on carbs is what makes us want to eat every 2-3 hours. Functioning on fat (ketones) means we can eat once a day and still be fine.

Your food looks ok (save for the rice vinegar and the slaw), but the overall quantities may be low. I don't particularly like smoothies or almond butter, as you remove the chewing process out of it and can go overboard, but I don't think that's the problem here.

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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2010, 02:47:10 PM »
I think the problem is fat. I've recently shown my wife the light here. She used to get up, eat some cereal ("Special K" is good for you!) with skim milk, and then be hungry in about 2 hours. Now she eats a breakfast of about 2 eggs and 3 strips of uncured bacon, and doesn't get hungry until well after noon.

Eat more fat. Don't make some alchemical smoothie concoction. Try meat or eggs for breakfast



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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 03:02:42 PM »
You can make bacon and eggs the night before and eat them in the morning.  Take a few eggs mix them up add some good stuff and make a fretta like thingy.  Put it in the fridge and pull it out in the morning, heat and eat.  Easy.  Or Cook up a roast or turkey breast and slice it up.  Keep in the fridge and take out what you need to Berkie and eat ti.  Cook up a bunch of bacon keep it on hand eat a needed.  Beef jerky it also really good to keep on hand.
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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 03:06:06 PM »
that's not much food, I'm not surprised you are hungry!  I'm a similar size to you and don't work out nearly so much and eat slightly more than that, and have lost weight without too much hunger.

Try two eggs for breakfast, maybe bacon, or ground beef, or sardines.  If you get up that early you definitely need more for breakfast.  And yes, there is a lot of veg fat (coconut oil, olive oil) in there.  Try frying the eggs in animal fat in the morning if you can, or go for oilier fish - personally I find tuna a little dry and prefer salmon or mackerel.

Try another egg at lunch, more meat/fish and some bulky veg - raw carrots, mushrooms, beetroot perhaps

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 03:34:52 PM »
Make a bacon and egg "sandwhich".  Instead of using bread to hold it all together, either use lettuce or cook the bacon over layed and use that as the bread.  That is very portable and you can eat and walk at the same time.  (Well unless you are like me and will trip over the cracks in the sidewalk!)

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 03:42:57 PM »
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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 04:50:03 PM »
I used to be a sucker for smoothies. Been a while since I've had one. Took me a little while to depart from them, but I am so glad I did. I think you should too. Whole foods are so much better, your stomach actually has to work to digest the food. Where as the skakes instantly absorb into your body making you hungry sooner. The healthy fats keep you fuller longer. You'll get it, just keep experimenting! :)
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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 05:00:51 PM »
You need more protein and sat fat. Especially sat fat - not the nut/olive stuff. Concentrate on fat and protein for the mornings as that's when you seem to need to power up

Make an omelette/crepe the night before (2-3 eggs) - fill and roll then you can eat it as you go. Or make into a frittata or muffins (with added veg/meat) so you just grab a serve and go.

Take boiled eggs to snack on. The tuna is ok - try also sardines. If you need a 'second breakfast' a bit later that is OK - as you get it right this will even out and then go.

Eat a good lunch - a big non-starchy salad/veg with your protein.

Drop the cashews and rice vinegar (legume and grain). Cut the nut butter. Substitute other nuts but keep them as emergency snack. Drop the fruit in the morning - could be giving you the hungries.
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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2010, 07:41:42 PM »
thanks everyone.
 
OK--the consensus seems to be more fat and add bulk w/ veggies. I just cooked a bunch of egg/chicken sausage/spinach egg cupcakes. I'm going to eat enough to feel full and see where the day takes me. I'm already thinking that maybe i should have gotten bacon instead of chicken sausage for fat purposes. I will post my daily food at end of day. I'm sure I will need some more input.

I am confused about a couple of things. People are mentioning ketosis. I thought that being in a state of ketosis was unhealthy in long haul. Are you guys saying I will aim for ketosis during fat loss and then I can add back some fruits and maybe yams? Wolff's book has recipes w/ fruits and nuts so i thought they were OK but it sounds like they need to go during fat loss??

Also, even though i keep reading about Paleo it is hard to unlearn all this info. we've heard about too much animal protein leading to kidney failure, high cholesterol etc. I guess i should post these questions in a different category. But, I welcome any feedback.

thanks again!!

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 08:11:36 PM »
One thing to keep in mind about the bacon is that it will have to be a natural “bacon” or it will have nitrates and other chemicals, so if the chicken sausage does not have any corn syrups or other none caveman items, it might be best.

Yes, please post your daily food log, we will be able to help in more detail at that time.

Ketosis at the beginning is a good thing.  It is retraining your body to correctly consume the nutrients that it is fed instead of storing the calories.  Yes, you may reintroduce fruit after you have reached your ideal weight loss goal.  Depending on who you ask you may eat up to 50 or 75 grams of carbs per day.  I attempt to keep mine at 50 or less and am pleased with the weight loss and the fat to muscled changes.

Paleo is easy, just remember NO dairy, NO grains, NO nightshades (IF you have auto-immune or joint issues.) NO tubers and NO beans, of any sort to include green beans.  So, what is for dinner?  Any type of roast that you would like, a green veggie and I would have a salad with a homemade dressing.    Once you change your lifetime habits, AND remember that fat really is your friend, you will find that this WOE is very easy.
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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 08:15:03 PM »
yeah, careful on bacon.  I only buy uncured hog belly that is not treated with any flavorings.  Look at most bacon packages - lots of salt, brown sugar and the like.

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 08:45:18 PM »
(Sorry Bear, I have to steal your soft pitch)

Once you get comfortable with the No's in your WOE, then you will be in the Know.




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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2010, 09:18:39 PM »
I am confused about a couple of things. People are mentioning ketosis. I thought that being in a state of ketosis was unhealthy in long haul. Are you guys saying I will aim for ketosis during fat loss and then I can add back some fruits and maybe yams? Wolff's book has recipes w/ fruits and nuts so i thought they were OK but it sounds like they need to go during fat loss??

Also, even though i keep reading about Paleo it is hard to unlearn all this info. we've heard about too much animal protein leading to kidney failure, high cholesterol etc. I guess i should post these questions in a different category. But, I welcome any feedback.

Ketoacidosis is unhealthy.  Ketosis without acidosis is fine.  If your body is healthy you should stay out of acidosis, though if you want you can eat some green leafy vegetables to help out.

You can add back the fruit whenever you want but yams are tubers and thus not paleo.

Eating really excessive amounts of protein - like half your caloric intake or more - can lead to kidney failure.  In the old days this was called "rabbit starvation" because rabbits were very lean.  However, if you eat fatty meat, you'll get plenty of calories from the fat and will not overload yourself with protein.

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Re: help a sister out?
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2010, 09:40:17 PM »
Bee, you did fine!
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