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Mountaingal's accountability thread
« on: August 18, 2011, 07:12:39 PM »
New to this WOE but sold from the get-go. I have been reading Robb Wolf's book and love it. As an evolutionary student and nursing student - this makes so much sense to me. Add to that the fact that I have been failing repeatedly on what the government terms "healthy" and I think its time for a change.

Stats - 31yo female (still breastfeeding my 19 month old) - ROTC student so I crosstrain (mixture of crossfit, P90x and same old cardio) 5-6x a week. I am 5'6" - 145 lbs.  I am also hypothyroid and have Hashimoto's (autoimmune disorder of the thyroid). Add to that, I just found out I have a wheat allergy which I've never had before - I am convinced it is the beginning of or actually full blown Celiac's but I'm hesitant to get more tests because a definitive diagnosis could blow my military career. I'd rather cure this on my own - with one autoimmune disease I am at serious risk for getting another. My family (all of them) are hypertensive, obese and diabetic. 19 months ago I weighed 225 lbs, what I am searching for now is the health that is supposed to come with dramatic weight loss.

I have two challenges to overcome with paleo - a very tight budget (about $400 a month for myself, my 8 year old son and my 19 month old daughter). The second challenge is that I am seriously addicted to carbs - it is like crack to me and that is no lie. I have tried so many times to cut out carbs and they call me back. I have done it before however  - I was a raw vegan for 30 days - if I can do that, I can do this. It helps to have a plan as always so I will lay out a menu plan after I detail my recent (fasting) bloodwork.

Total Cholesterol - 180
HDL - 55
LDL - 113
Triglycerides - 59
Glucose - 84
Hba1c - 4.9%
TSH (on 88mcg of synthroid) - .714
Vit D (included because its low) - 27.9

Not too bad if I were a 58 year old woman but I'm only 31 so these numbers spell trouble brewing in carbland.

And here's my plan (starting tomorrow morning) - BTW, this weekend is subject to change, I had originally planned to start on Monday but I really need to do this now.

Friday
Bf - egg/spinach "frittata" and sausage
Lunch - out with mom - Chipotle - meat,vegs, guac
dinner - Chicken soup (crockpot)
snack - raw vegs / apple

Saturday
Bf - eggs and sausage
lunch - leftover soup
dinner - leftover soup
snack - sardines, raw vegs

Sunday
bf - eggs and sausage
lunch - mackeral and vegs / salad greens
dinner - hamburger and vegs
snack - 2 oz nuts

Monday
Bf - Egg Fritatta (crustless, dairyless quiche with lots of veggies - grab and go morning)
lunch - zucchini pasta with lots of meat sauce
dinner - collard wrapped tilapia with vegs
snack - homemade jerky, raw vegs with spinach/avocado dip

Tuesday
Bf - sausage sauteed with spinach and sprinkled with walnuts
lunch - leftovers
dinner - curry veggies with salmon
snack - jerky, raw vegs, orange

Wed
bf - egg frittatta (grab and go day)
lunch - leftovers
dinner - sausage and cabbage
snack - same as other days

Thurs
bf - egg frittata (grab and go day)
lunch - leftovers
dinner - chicken legs, roasted root vegetables
snack - same

Friday
bf - chicken apple hash
lunch - leftovers
dinner - beef and acorn squash stew, vegs
snack - same

This menu may look sparse but the portions will be hearty and healthy fats will be incorporated into all the recipes. What's driving my menu more than anything right now is cost. I have to make do with what I can. I actually spent a couple hours today riding my bike to all the grocery stores in town (there are 3) and writing down costs of foods that I will eat most often. Wal-Mart seems to be the price leader which is unfortunate because I don't really like to encourage them but it can't be helped at this point. Grass fed is not an option right now but will be in the future. As for my kids - my son will eat paleo with me at night and I'll slowly fold him in to the other meals. My daughter who has struggled with allergies and eczema since birth - I really want her to be full on paleo. I am waiting to approve a dairy free/ wheat free menu at her school and see if that's the compromise I can make for her right now since she eats two meals and two snacks there and its included in my cost.

Sorry if this is a total rant, I really don't expect anyone to read this - its more to keep me accountable and on track which I need until I get past the beginning / cravings stage and can focus more clearly on really turning my life around and embracing all the changes I hope to see (less moodiness, better digestion, more satiety after eating, fewer sinus troubles, less (or no) joint pain when I get up to exercise, better sleep, improved mental clarity, more energy, and maybe just maybe some improvement on my thyroid condition.)



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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2011, 06:19:35 AM »
The second challenge is that I am seriously addicted to carbs - it is like crack to me and that is no lie. I have tried so many times to cut out carbs and they call me back. I have done it before however  - I was a raw vegan for 30 days ...

I'm sorry, but a raw vegan diet is not free from carbs... if it is low carb that is due to it also being low in calories, which meant you were possible just starving or semi-fasting. Yes, eating whole foods is better for the body than refined foods, and fruits are easier to digest than grains and legumes, and do not contain anti-nutrients if they are ripe; still, carbs produce the same metabolic response once they hit the bloodstream. Perhaps you should try cutting carbs completely, and only reintroduce them once you have regained metabolic flexibility (see: http://www.gnolls.org/1984/the-science-behind-the-low-carb-flu-and-how-to-regain-your-metabolic-flexibility/)?

Eating "zero carb" (http://www.dirtycarnivore.com/index.html) is probably the fastest way to regain your metabolic flexibility. Then you could slowly add carbs after some time (say, a month or so). Or you may find that you are doing well eating no carbs and continue eating that way.

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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2011, 10:08:28 AM »
Is there a way for you to cut costs elsewhere and invest more in your food?

I'm sure paleo will cure all your problems, but you need to be able to spend more on food.

Not sure where you're from, but here in Canada, I spend at least $600~700 just on myself to get adequate food.

Although, I am eating ALL organic fruits and vegetables and grass-fed meat. You could probably do without the organic vegetables, and go for plain ones instead.

I haven't read the book you mention, but the recipe book on Mark Sisson's The Daily Apple website is pretty good. Check it out. It's a free e-book.

Good luck, and good health to you.

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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2011, 01:06:22 PM »

Total Cholesterol - 180
HDL - 55
LDL - 113
Triglycerides - 59
Glucose - 84
Hba1c - 4.9%
TSH (on 88mcg of synthroid) - .714
Vit D (included because its low) - 27.9


I'm not too familiar with blood test numbers other than cholesterol, triglycerides and fasting glucose. Which of the above numbers are considered off for 31 year old female?

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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2011, 08:37:24 PM »
Magnetic, I couldn't imagine cutting out vegetables. There's definite logic behind the information you provided but I think vegetables provide so much other benefits its worth it. Not to mention I probably couldn't afford an entirely plant based diet. Oh yeah, and you are right - raw vegan is definitely not carb free or even low carb. What I meant to say was grain free. And thinking about it, even then I wasn't grain free because I was eating the occasional raw buckwheat granola and corn.

Kevin, I am trying to tweak my budget a little. I'm riding my bike more, I even considered moving back in with my parents to save a little money. I am on a one income student budget right now and daycare costs me a pretty penny - even with state assistance. In fact, my oldest is turning into a latch key kid because I can't afford for him to go to daycare.

Paleo Dude,
The numbers are all within range for the most part except my LDL (bad cholesterol) The normal range for LDL is 0-99. That in itself might not be troubling except paired with 180 (which is nearing borderline for high cholesterol) is troubling at my age - especially with my family genetics. Someone without my genetics might be more inclined to think my numbers are pretty safe. As for Vit D, I should be at least at 32 and probably much higher especially since I'm still nursing my toddler. And of course my TSH (which is my thyroid hormone) is barely in range because of the medicine I take. All in all not a terrible set of numbers but definitely room for improvement.
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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2011, 08:40:04 PM »
What I ate today:

bf - 3 eggs, 1/2c spinach, 3 small nitrate free sausages
lunch - Chipotle (so yummy) - double carnita meat on lettuce with salsa and guac.
snack - salmon and carrots
dinner - homemade chicken soup
after dinner snack - pineapple with dessicated coconut

Probably shouldn't have had the pineapple but wanted something kind of sweet and since class and a new training regimen starts in three days, I don't want to slamdunk myself directly into very few carbs.  All in all, I had energy for the most part - a bit of a tummyache after lunch - don't know if my stomach is adjusting to all the fat? but otherwise was not hungry.
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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2011, 11:26:41 PM »
LDL was considered normal for 50 -130 (and high normal 139) for many years until about 10 years ago when it was changed to 0 to 99.  That change added an additional 36 million people who need to be on statin cholesterol lowering medication.

However having said that. If your TSH is slightly low your LDL will be slightly high. 
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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2011, 08:51:06 PM »
LDL was considered normal for 50 -130 (and high normal 139) for many years until about 10 years ago when it was changed to 0 to 99.  That change added an additional 36 million people who need to be on statin cholesterol lowering medication.

However having said that. If your TSH is slightly low your LDL will be slightly high.

Hmmm, I didn't know that. Thanks! :)

What I ate today:

Bf- sausage and eggs
lunch - chicken soup
snack - homemade beef jerky, pork rinds (are these paleo?)
dinner - hamburger, butternut squash with coconut milk and ghee, lettuce

My energy was good today but man I was irritable as hell - don't know if its a sugar crash or what. I love, however, that I am not thinking about food ALL DAY LONG. At least, not in the way I usually do - thinking about what I'm going to eat because I'm hungry and I never feel full. I feel full eating this way, moreover I feel satisfied. That doesn't happen very often.


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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2011, 03:36:04 AM »
Looks to me like you're doing really well! Try not to worry if you can't afford the perfect diet right now - what you're doing is still a million times better than the standard Western diet.

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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2011, 04:40:18 AM »
Magnetic, I couldn't imagine cutting out vegetables. There's definite logic behind the information you provided but I think vegetables provide so much other benefits its worth it. Not to mention I probably couldn't afford an entirely plant based diet. Oh yeah, and you are right - raw vegan is definitely not carb free or even low carb. What I meant to say was grain free. And thinking about it, even then I wasn't grain free because I was eating the occasional raw buckwheat granola and corn.

What are the benefits provided by vegetables that make them worth keeping in your diet, instead of replacing them with more meat and fat?

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2011, 08:13:48 PM »
What are the benefits provided by vegetables that make them worth keeping in your diet, instead of replacing them with more meat and fat?

1. cost - I can't afford any more meat than I'm buying now. 2.variety - I think an all meat, all fat diet would get boring and therefore not sustainable in the long run. 3. Aren't there some vitamins and minerals that you can't get from meat? Folic acid for example?

As for my tracking today - I was over at mom's most of the day so:
bf - sausage and eggs
lunch- little bit of sausage and veggie quiche and a couple garden meatballs (from everyday paleo) that I was preparing big batches of for the week.
dinner - 3 hamburgers, zucchini, tomato, cantaloupe
snack - carrots and raspberries from the garden and squash buttons (eggs and squash cooked in muffin tin), pork rinds

I grazed most of the day and took in more carbs than I would have liked in the form of fruit however I still consider it a successful day. Usually while I'm at mom's (I am there probably one day a weekend), I binge. There's ice cream and cookies and candybars - everything I don't keep in my house. That was pre-paleo though. I didn't even want that crap - no cravings whatsoever. And it wasn't just like a willpower battle all day long either - I didn't even think about it. I don't care if the research is wrong and I die in three years from a meat induced heart attack - that feeling of not wanting to binge is priceless.

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2011, 03:51:49 PM »
What are the benefits provided by vegetables that make them worth keeping in your diet, instead of replacing them with more meat and fat?

1. cost - I can't afford any more meat than I'm buying now. 2.variety - I think an all meat, all fat diet would get boring and therefore not sustainable in the long run. 3. Aren't there some vitamins and minerals that you can't get from meat? Folic acid for example?

All animal products was what I was suggesting (meat, fish, eggs, etc.). I average 443 mcg of folate a day, the recommended amount is 400 mcg. Liver, kidney, conch and fish roe all contain significant folate. Animal foods will supply everything, you just need to eat organs, a little fish and shellfish, and do not cook too much. I find it cheaper eating from the animal kingdom. Fruit, vegetable and dairy calories are far more expensive. What do you pay for a red pepper? For a bag of spinach? For an apple? How many calories do you get out of them? If you have looked at a fruitarian food budget you would understand. Grass-fed meat is relatively cheap, unless you are eating lots of steaks and expensive cuts. Organs tend to be the cheapest.

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 06:33:43 AM »
What are the benefits provided by vegetables that make them worth keeping in your diet, instead of replacing them with more meat and fat?

1. cost - I can't afford any more meat than I'm buying now. 2.variety - I think an all meat, all fat diet would get boring and therefore not sustainable in the long run. 3. Aren't there some vitamins and minerals that you can't get from meat? Folic acid for example?

All animal products was what I was suggesting (meat, fish, eggs, etc.). I average 443 mcg of folate a day, the recommended amount is 400 mcg. Liver, kidney, conch and fish roe all contain significant folate. Animal foods will supply everything, you just need to eat organs, a little fish and shellfish, and do not cook too much. I find it cheaper eating from the animal kingdom. Fruit, vegetable and dairy calories are far more expensive. What do you pay for a red pepper? For a bag of spinach? For an apple? How many calories do you get out of them? If you have looked at a fruitarian food budget you would understand. Grass-fed meat is relatively cheap, unless you are eating lots of steaks and expensive cuts. Organs tend to be the cheapest.

Magnetic - what you say is very interesting and does make sense. Its hard to break away from the traditional thinking. How long have you been eating like this? What benefits do you believe it provides you in comparison to having more carbs? Would you mind providing me with a snapshot of your daily diet? I'm very curious. :)

As for yesterday - first day of school -

bf - egg frittatta
Lame workout as we got all the new people caught up on formation drills
lunch - garden meatballs, zucchini pasta, tomato sauce
snack - beef jerky, carrots, pork rinds
dinner - meat marinated in olive oil and thyme, roasted root vegetables (beets, parsnips, carrot, yam) in coconut oil

Note - I felt horrible after supper and had kind of a crash. I don't know if it was the starch from the root vegetables or excess fat. I am going to cut down on the starchy vegs and see if that helps my energy. I did get a good workout in this morning and felt pretty strong.  I also think the pork rinds have to go. I like them because they're kind of like a normal comfort food and I like salt but they make me feel funny if I eat too many.

Another note - I haven't lost any weight at all (four days now), in fact I gained two pounds this morning. I am so far attributing it to that time of the month and not stressing over it yet.

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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2011, 03:49:31 PM »
What are the benefits provided by vegetables that make them worth keeping in your diet, instead of replacing them with more meat and fat?

1. cost - I can't afford any more meat than I'm buying now. 2.variety - I think an all meat, all fat diet would get boring and therefore not sustainable in the long run. 3. Aren't there some vitamins and minerals that you can't get from meat? Folic acid for example?

All animal products was what I was suggesting (meat, fish, eggs, etc.). I average 443 mcg of folate a day, the recommended amount is 400 mcg. Liver, kidney, conch and fish roe all contain significant folate. Animal foods will supply everything, you just need to eat organs, a little fish and shellfish, and do not cook too much. I find it cheaper eating from the animal kingdom. Fruit, vegetable and dairy calories are far more expensive. What do you pay for a red pepper? For a bag of spinach? For an apple? How many calories do you get out of them? If you have looked at a fruitarian food budget you would understand. Grass-fed meat is relatively cheap, unless you are eating lots of steaks and expensive cuts. Organs tend to be the cheapest.

Magnetic - what you say is very interesting and does make sense. Its hard to break away from the traditional thinking. How long have you been eating like this? What benefits do you believe it provides you in comparison to having more carbs? Would you mind providing me with a snapshot of your daily diet? I'm very curious. :)

As for yesterday - first day of school -

bf - egg frittatta
Lame workout as we got all the new people caught up on formation drills
lunch - garden meatballs, zucchini pasta, tomato sauce
snack - beef jerky, carrots, pork rinds
dinner - meat marinated in olive oil and thyme, roasted root vegetables (beets, parsnips, carrot, yam) in coconut oil

Note - I felt horrible after supper and had kind of a crash. I don't know if it was the starch from the root vegetables or excess fat. I am going to cut down on the starchy vegs and see if that helps my energy. I did get a good workout in this morning and felt pretty strong.  I also think the pork rinds have to go. I like them because they're kind of like a normal comfort food and I like salt but they make me feel funny if I eat too many.

Another note - I haven't lost any weight at all (four days now), in fact I gained two pounds this morning. I am so far attributing it to that time of the month and not stressing over it yet.

If you want to check out my journal you can read it here: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/journals/magnetic%27s-journal/

I did cooked paleo for a couple months, then switched to raw paleo cold turkey.

I struggled at first, but the problem was fruit and once I eliminated fruit I gained my energy (and control over carbs) back. I am only 1 month into eating this way (100% animal foods), so I am still in the early stages. There are others over at the Raw Paleo Forum who have been eating a raw carnivorous diet for up to 10 years. I experienced a 2 week "low carb flu" from cutting out all non-animal carb sources. Right now I feel like I have complete control over what I want to eat. I have serious carb addiction so I needed to cut down as much as possible. I may reintroduce fruit/vegetables in the future but if I keep feeling as good as I do now, I don't know why I would add them back in.

As you can see in my journal, I have been eating 1 lb. of ground beef, anywhere from 3-6 ounces of organ meat and usually around 7-8 ounces of marrow each day. I recently ran out of marrow so I am eating light until I get some more (Thursday, it couldn't arrive soon enough).

It echoes the opinion of most on here, I think, that the fewer carbs you can get by on the better you will do. It is probably a radical departure from your current routine though. You could introduce some raw foods such as raw eggs, and start eating more organ meats. Organ meats are packed with nutrients, especially liver.

...and remember, everything should be grass-fed/free-range/pastured or wild! You probably know that already, though.
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Re: Mountaingal's accountability thread
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2011, 06:54:07 PM »
Thank you Magnetic! I look forward to reading your diary! And I do intend on eating more organ meats - I used to love chicken livers as a child (we raised our own chickens and butchered them ourselves) so I'm going to try to find some livers that remind me of that childhood taste.

For today (trying to cut down on starchy carbs)
bf - eggs and bacon
lunch - zucchini pasta with hamburger and tomato sauce
snack - beef jerky
dinner - salmon cakes (salmon and egg) with large lettuce salad and english cucumber

Still low on energy - might be a combination of things including starting back to school with a very demanding schedule and getting up at 430 for PT. Just sticking with it - even though I am feeling kind of crappy (low carb flu), I am still not craving grains and those refined carbs which is a miracle for me. I don't even crave fruit. Amazing...

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