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Paleo v Weightwatchers
« on: January 23, 2012, 03:13:48 AM »
I thought I'd start writing about my new paleo diet. Got into bad habits over christmas and since then my food choices have been a bit disgusting. This is partly due to the fact that my husband has decided he won't go paleo but will do weightwatchers instead. And so our kitchen is filled with low fat, high carb fake foods, which after a long week at work can be hard to avoid. Why is it that these foods are so addictive?
Anyway I feel pretty rubbish today and want to get this week off to a new start. I thought if I kept a food journal it might help me to feel accountable for what I eat and stay on track, so here goes...

Breakfast
Spinach cooked with fresh ginger, spices, butter and 2 eggs. Plus some nuts. Some of these were peanuts which I know isn't great :(

Lunch is brussels sprouts cooked in olive oil with garlic and parsley plus sardines and mint tea.
Afternoon snack of raw spinach, cucumber, tomato.
Dinner will be chicken soup and cooked red cabbage.

Compare this to a weightwatchers day: Breakfast of bran flakes with milk
and honey; fruit; lunch of 3 slices wholemeal bread with flora light, sliced ham and cheese and box of spinach salad with low fat dressing and croutons; dinner of chicken soup, houmous and crackers.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 04:52:34 AM by ruth1000 »

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 05:20:55 AM »
The most difficult thing I find though is that i eat too much of everything. I guess it's partly because I'm craving the carbs and junk, but I don't seem to reach a point of feeling full, either in my stomach or in my head and so it's always a matter of willpower to stop eating. I'm hoping this will get easier. Right now I feel uncomfortable as have eaten too much and yet my head is telling me it still wants more. I guess this is addiction to carbs? Any suggestions what to do?


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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 06:30:29 AM »
You need to eat more fat, sat fat in particular.
Sat fat (fat from cows, goat, lamb, etc., but not from birds or pork) is particularly satiating. Just eat fatty cuts (ideally grass-fed) and you should be fine.

Experiment with intermittent fasting, as well (i.e. eating 16 hours apart, typically by skipping breakfast and lunch), to calibrate appetite and induce ketosis.

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 06:43:54 AM »
I agree with Il Capo, I felt exactly the same as you, never feeling full or satisfied.
At the time I thought I needed to eat even more starch, so i did but didn't get that satisfaction either.

However through trial and error, fattier cuts of meats kept me feeling fuller for longer. I didnt feel the need to snack and I'm pretty sure this is how we're supposed to eat.
higher fat with lower starch, keep it up. I'm sure you'll convert your husband.

Il Capo, is there a reason why fat from pork or chicken isn't as satiating?

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 08:55:51 AM »
Thanks. I have some pork in the freezer which I'll dig out. I think my body has been so confused by various diets over the years that I often can't tell if I'm really hungry or just eating out of boredom or habit. Perhaps the fasting will help me sort this out. What worries me about the idea of fasting is that I will eat twice as much afterwards to make up for it!


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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 02:20:11 PM »
Personally I think if you've been on calorie-restricted diets recently you probably shouldn't try fasting for a while. Calorie-restricted diets derange the metabolism and that takes time to undo. You need to keep your nourishment up and never let yourself get hungry so your body starts to realise it's safe to let go of the fat - it probably still thinks there's a famine going on and it needs to hold onto its reserves.

Best way to reverse this, and to stay satisfied, is plenty of fatty red meat, as the others said. It's very satisfying and much harder to overeat than other foods. Beef, lamb, bison, deer, etc are what you want. 70% beef mince is cheap, easy to prepare, and as good as anything. You can add different herbs and spices to patties to stop them getting boring. Cheaper fatty cuts are often good slow-roasted or made into casseroles.

If you are eating the right foods, you shouldn't need to hold back - your body will tell you when it's had enough. The fact that you're still feeling like you should eat when you're uncomfortably full means you haven't found the right foods for you yet. To begin with, while your metabolism is getting back to normal, you might need to eat red meat three times a day. Nothing else boosts the metabolism like red meat. You'll know things are getting back to normal when you really don't feel like it any more.

btw I did WW the year before I went paleo. I lost a few kilos but it was such a drag I quit after a few months and promptly gained another 15kg! I swore off reduced-calorie diets for life. Then I started paleo for health reasons, wasn't even trying to lose weight, and lost 30kg without trying.

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 02:48:24 PM »
Wow Jean, 30kg!

NB. 66 pounds

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 02:53:13 PM »
Yup, and I feel fantastic. I hadn't realised how much difference dragging that around was making until it was gone. I felt like going and waving banners around outside the WW meetings, lol.

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 03:50:58 PM »
That really is a fantastic result, Jean!  I've only been on the forum for about a week but you're already one of my health and weight loss idols :)

I feel the same as you, ruth1000 - I did worry slightly about eating "too much" (as I've been known to do in the past.  I'm a 163cm female and at one point in my life I weighed 109kg from overeating, although most of that was refined, carby, pointless food) so I've really been trying to listen to my hunger.  I've also been tracking calories on myfitnesspal, not to limit myself, but just to see how many calories I have taken in in a day.  I take in about 1800-2000 cals a day... I'm not too worried about that for now, as I'm between 86 and 88kg at the moment.

Your meals sound delicious but I would add more fat too - I really look forward to eating fatty cuts of red meat, and all my chicken skin.  If I feel vaguely hungry at work but it's not lunchtime I've been drinking tea with coconut cream which has helped to add more fat to my diet.

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 03:51:22 PM »
Il Capo, is there a reason why fat from pork or chicken isn't as satiating?

Pig and bird fats tend to have more unsaturated fat than ruminant's fat. From experience with higher sat fat content of meals I feel more satiated.

More info on fats: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/yet-another-primal-primer-animal-fats/#axzz1kKPxz8SH
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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 03:53:45 PM »
What worries me about the idea of fasting is that I will eat twice as much afterwards to make up for it!

That's exactly what you want. Bust and boom feeding cycles (warrior diet), rather than bird-style eating seeds all day long. As long as you are eating paleo foods, eat as much as you need to feel satiated, limiting fruit in the beginning.

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 07:50:50 PM »
That really is a fantastic result, Jean!  I've only been on the forum for about a week but you're already one of my health and weight loss idols :)

ROFL. I only did so well because of all the fantastic advice I got from the more experienced people on this forum.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 07:52:39 PM by Jean »

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 03:15:51 AM »
Personally I think if you've been on calorie-restricted diets recently you probably shouldn't try fasting for a while. Calorie-restricted diets derange the metabolism and that takes time to undo. You need to keep your nourishment up and never let yourself get hungry so your body starts to realise it's safe to let go of the fat - it probably still thinks there's a famine going on and it needs to hold onto its reserves.

Best way to reverse this, and to stay satisfied, is plenty of fatty red meat, as the others said. It's very satisfying and much harder to overeat than other foods. Beef, lamb, bison, deer, etc are what you want. 70% beef mince is cheap, easy to prepare, and as good as anything. You can add different herbs and spices to patties to stop them getting boring. Cheaper fatty cuts are often good slow-roasted or made into casseroles.

If you are eating the right foods, you shouldn't need to hold back - your body will tell you when it's had enough. The fact that you're still feeling like you should eat when you're uncomfortably full means you haven't found the right foods for you yet. To begin with, while your metabolism is getting back to normal, you might need to eat red meat three times a day. Nothing else boosts the metabolism like red meat. You'll know things are getting back to normal when you really don't feel like it any more.

btw I did WW the year before I went paleo. I lost a few kilos but it was such a drag I quit after a few months and promptly gained another 15kg! I swore
 off reduced-calorie diets for life. Then I started paleo for health reasons,
wasn't even trying to lose weight, and lost 30kg without trying.

Thanks Jean, I really appreciate this advice. I've felt like my diet was a battle that I've been facing on my own so it's amazing to have advice and support!

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 03:35:29 AM »
Thanks Guys for all this advice. Have been feeling that  sorting my diet out is an impossible task, and one that I've consistently failed for years. Having support and advice is amazing! I'm not much overweight but could definitely do with being a bit leaner. My main problem is disordered eating patterns, i.e. eating a healthy diet for a week or so but then craving carbs, and once I get started on them bingeing and eating everything in site. Then in general eating rubbish for a couple of days before I manage to start eating healthy again. It seems that  refined carbs are the trigger to being out of control around food. My weight yo yos about a stone up and down, and all I want is to keep at a stable weight without the battle with myself.

Jean, you're right about weightwatchers- I lost some weight but was starving ask the time, particularly when training hard. All the weight came back on plus more, triggered by the poor quality carbs allowed on weightwatchers.

I will post a record of what I eat and would be interested to hear your feedback.

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Re: Paleo v Weightwatchers
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 12:13:35 PM »
My experience with this WOE is that I rarely feel as full as I used to right after the meal if that means stuffed and bloated. I often feel it is not quite enough food.

That's the immediate feeling -but after an hour or two I actually feel more satisfied and that feeling then continues for a much longer period than when I used to eat bread, pasta etc