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Offline Warren Dew

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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #90 on: March 08, 2010, 11:12:25 AM »
EDIT: Also, I am just barely under 180 today, which is neat.

I notice you managed to get down to 178.2 before dropping off the wagon on Sunday - congratulations!

Even though you didn't quite manage to go for the planned 5 days without cheats, I think the drop of 3-4 pounds during the period you did manage it is more than random variation.  You have valid experimental results, and now you know what you need to do - no cheats!

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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #91 on: March 08, 2010, 11:33:16 AM »
EDIT: Also, I am just barely under 180 today, which is neat.

I notice you managed to get down to 178.2 before dropping off the wagon on Sunday - congratulations!

Even though you didn't quite manage to go for the planned 5 days without cheats, I think the drop of 3-4 pounds during the period you did manage it is more than random variation.  You have valid experimental results, and now you know what you need to do - no cheats!

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. And, if you look at how I track weight, 180 on Monday is _still_ lower than the previous monday. So yay.

I tried real hard not to cheat, but it's hard to do with those people - they're the "go ahead! eat some more!" type of old people who shovel stuff on your plate and think they did something wrong when you refuse food. I'm thinking of telling people I have a gluten allergy from now on :)

It's interesting how big of a difference one piece of cake (and a little bit of pasta) can make.

Do you think this weight would shed faster because it was gained faster, in the same way that water weight will shed fast?



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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #92 on: March 08, 2010, 12:58:13 PM »
EDIT: Also, I am just barely under 180 today, which is neat.

I notice you managed to get down to 178.2 before dropping off the wagon on Sunday - congratulations!

Even though you didn't quite manage to go for the planned 5 days without cheats, I think the drop of 3-4 pounds during the period you did manage it is more than random variation.  You have valid experimental results, and now you know what you need to do - no cheats!

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. And, if you look at how I track weight, 180 on Monday is _still_ lower than the previous monday. So yay.

I tried real hard not to cheat, but it's hard to do with those people - they're the "go ahead! eat some more!" type of old people who shovel stuff on your plate and think they did something wrong when you refuse food. I'm thinking of telling people I have a gluten allergy from now on :)

It's interesting how big of a difference one piece of cake (and a little bit of pasta) can make.

Do you think this weight would shed faster because it was gained faster, in the same way that water weight will shed fast?

I expect it would, it's most likely carb / water weight

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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #93 on: March 09, 2010, 08:40:26 AM »
I expect it would, it's most likely carb / water weight

And it apparently did. Down to 178.4 today, which was fairly abrupt.



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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #94 on: March 10, 2010, 09:05:33 AM »
In the past two days, the only cheat has been two little chewy candies that came with the check last night.

I've gotten good at ordering at restaurants too. Mexican food: no rice, beans or tortillas. They usually give me something else, like cactus salad.

Also, my scale is crap. I usually weigh myself multiple times until I get two repeated numbers (it's digital). It can fluctuate a good 0.6 lbs between weighs. Any recommendations on a new one?



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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #95 on: March 11, 2010, 08:01:42 AM »
Down to 177.6 today. Yay

Yesterday I actually ate a can of tuna around 2pm, really because I had it at the office and wanted to get rid of it. At home I fried up some spinach in tallow, added 3 eggs, and ate that along with an apple, banana, some blackberries and some strawberries. Lot of fruit last night, little fat. I wonder if that's why I'm hungry right now....



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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #96 on: March 12, 2010, 03:33:39 PM »
So yesterday I cheated twice.

I ate a small sugar cookie around lunch time.

And I had a beer with dinner.

For dinner I actually made a sauce with onions, red peppers, garlic, and some spices. I blended it so that it was actually like marinara sauce, except awesome. Put that over chicken. I ate 3 chicken breasts, an apple, and some greek olives, along with about 1c of the sauce



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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #97 on: March 12, 2010, 04:46:00 PM »
Have you ever made it a week without cheating?
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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« Reply #98 on: March 12, 2010, 05:45:19 PM »
Hey, he made a lot of progress when he went 4 days with strictly no cheats!

While I'm normally not a fan of Cordain's "one cheat meal a week and nothing else" plan, I wonder if "one day with cheats per week" could work for Phrak.

Now he has to go six days before the next one of course!

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« Reply #99 on: March 13, 2010, 08:32:56 AM »
I'm hardly the one to give you food advice...but yes low fat and all that fruit sugar...could be dynamo!

Down to 177.6 today. Yay

Yesterday I actually ate a can of tuna around 2pm, really because I had it at the office and wanted to get rid of it. At home I fried up some spinach in tallow, added 3 eggs, and ate that along with an apple, banana, some blackberries and some strawberries. Lot of fruit last night, little fat. I wonder if that's why I'm hungry right now....

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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #100 on: March 13, 2010, 08:35:00 AM »
I'm curious what else you ate on this day?  Your dinner sounds very yummy BUT did you eat the skin on the chicken breasts?  Seems to be again...low fat.  And yesterday you ate low fat...hence maybe the uncontrollable sugar cookie that was calling your name?

So yesterday I cheated twice.

I ate a small sugar cookie around lunch time.

And I had a beer with dinner.

For dinner I actually made a sauce with onions, red peppers, garlic, and some spices. I blended it so that it was actually like marinara sauce, except awesome. Put that over chicken. I ate 3 chicken breasts, an apple, and some greek olives, along with about 1c of the sauce

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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #101 on: March 13, 2010, 08:44:38 AM »
I'm curious what else you ate on this day?  Your dinner sounds very yummy BUT did you eat the skin on the chicken breasts?  Seems to be again...low fat.  And yesterday you ate low fat...hence maybe the uncontrollable sugar cookie that was calling your name?

So yesterday I cheated twice.

I ate a small sugar cookie around lunch time.

And I had a beer with dinner.

For dinner I actually made a sauce with onions, red peppers, garlic, and some spices. I blended it so that it was actually like marinara sauce, except awesome. Put that over chicken. I ate 3 chicken breasts, an apple, and some greek olives, along with about 1c of the sauce

Good point, i just worked my way through 2lbs of pork belly and a pound of not very lean beef in the last couple of hours and there is no way i could go anywhere near any sort of cheat food now :D

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« Reply #102 on: March 13, 2010, 03:55:41 PM »
good on ya!!!   ;D

I'm curious what else you ate on this day?  Your dinner sounds very yummy BUT did you eat the skin on the chicken breasts?  Seems to be again...low fat.  And yesterday you ate low fat...hence maybe the uncontrollable sugar cookie that was calling your name?

So yesterday I cheated twice.

I ate a small sugar cookie around lunch time.

And I had a beer with dinner.

For dinner I actually made a sauce with onions, red peppers, garlic, and some spices. I blended it so that it was actually like marinara sauce, except awesome. Put that over chicken. I ate 3 chicken breasts, an apple, and some greek olives, along with about 1c of the sauce

Good point, i just worked my way through 2lbs of pork belly and a pound of not very lean beef in the last couple of hours and there is no way i could go anywhere near any sort of cheat food now :D

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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #103 on: March 15, 2010, 10:01:16 AM »
Have you ever made it a week without cheating?

It depends on how you define cheating and where you sit on the spectrum of "paleo". I have professed for a long time that I think more modern hunter-gatherers had a more ideal existence. I think the Pareto Principle applies to most things, as it does here - cutting out highly processed foods, breads, pastries, etc gets you 80% of the way there. It's "good enough" for most applications. Even while cheating, my weight and mood were stable (+-1lb for normal daily variance).

I also think there are some paleo-specific things that are stupid. For instance: mushrooms. No one has issues with eating mushrooms. This is INSANE. If you wanted to eat mushrooms in the wild, you needed some sort of tribal elder. Most mushrooms will kill you or make you violently ill. My grandfather picked wild mushrooms his whole life, and even he wasn't sure if some of them were poisonous or not.

So, by the book - who knows if I've ever gone long without cheating. But I'm skeptical of a lot of "the book", and really, I don't care if I'm exact. I don't live to eat, I eat to live. If being 100% paleo means I can't enjoy a beer with my girlfriend, then I don't really care about the 100% goal.

While I'm normally not a fan of Cordain's "one cheat meal a week and nothing else" plan, I wonder if "one day with cheats per week" could work for Phrak.

Body-for-life does this too. I think it's a good idea for some people, but I think it's a double edged sword. It hammers home the idea that food is a reward. But, if the goal is weight loss, it's hard to undo a week's worth of work in one day.



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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #104 on: March 15, 2010, 10:03:32 AM »
I'm curious what else you ate on this day?  Your dinner sounds very yummy BUT did you eat the skin on the chicken breasts?  Seems to be again...low fat.  And yesterday you ate low fat...hence maybe the uncontrollable sugar cookie that was calling your name?

You could be right. One thing I haven't really been recording is that I generally eat one US Wellness meats pemmican bar later on in the evening. I have been skipping that as I am down to like 4 bars left (need to order more) - I'm rationing them :)



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Re: phrak's phood
« Reply #104 on: March 15, 2010, 10:03:32 AM »