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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #90 on: February 03, 2010, 09:59:53 PM »
Various times I will end up eating not at a prescribed meal time because I wasn't hungry then.  I am doing better now...only eating when I am hungry.

Okay.  I was just checking because of the numerical goal.  If you're only eating when hungry and only eating enough to satiate the hunger, then that's great - though in that case you don't need the numerical goal.

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It seems like high calories....but I am 250lbs and mildly active.  I'm gonna need something to lug myself around.

There seems to me to be a logical error here.  If what you want to do is stay at 250 lb, but perhaps change that from partly fat to all muscle, then eating enough to maintain that weight makes sense.  If what you want is to lose weight, though, it doesn't make sense to make sure you eat enough to maintain that weight.

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #91 on: February 03, 2010, 11:02:09 PM »
That's fairly unlikely.  Getting insufficient sleep is bad, but from a weight standpoint, it would be more likely to cause weight loss than weight gain.

Maybe not, lack of sleep decreases insulin sensitivity.


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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #92 on: February 04, 2010, 06:42:24 AM »
up at 6am.  Hours of sleep = 7.5 hrs
Weight = 252  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  What the hell is going on!!?!?!?
BM = before bed last night and not great

Breakfast 630am:

60 mg Allegra
400 mg Cimetadine
1 Omega 3 supp
2000 IU Vit D

Regular Coffee, 1 cup (8 fl oz)
Beef chuck, 150 grams
Beef drippings/gravy, 1 cup

Lunch 12pm:

Beef - Eye of Round Roast - Oven Roasted, 5 oz
Avocados, California (Haas), 1 fruit without skin and seeds
Born 3 Eggs Omega - 3 (1 Large Egg), 2 serving

4pm 400 mg Cimetidine, 60 mg Allegra, 1 omega 3 capsule, 3000 IU Vit D.

Supper 5pm:

Kirkland Signature Wild Pacific Mahi-Mahi, 1.4 serving
Celery, raw, 3 stalk, medium (7-1/2in. - 8in. long)
MaraNatha Almond Butter, 2 tbsp
Pears, fresh, 0.25 pear, medium (approx 2-1/2 per lb)
Canola Oil, 1 1tsp
Butter, salted, 1 pat (1in. sq, 1/3in. high)
Hazelnuts, 0.25 cup, ground

Post Workout Snack @ 730 pm:

Beef - Eye of Round Roast - Oven Roasted, 7 oz

                                CALORIES     CARBS              FAT     PROTEIN     
              Totals:    1,897                  36             115             180    
Your Daily Goal:    2,000 - 2,400    40 - 60    130 - 140    125 - 150

edited to finish the rest of the day.  high on protein, low on fat...carbs good
« Last Edit: February 04, 2010, 07:55:44 PM by Sassenach »

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #93 on: February 04, 2010, 07:01:34 AM »
Various times I will end up eating not at a prescribed meal time because I wasn't hungry then.  I am doing better now...only eating when I am hungry.

Okay.  I was just checking because of the numerical goal.  If you're only eating when hungry and only eating enough to satiate the hunger, then that's great - though in that case you don't need the numerical goal.

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It seems like high calories....but I am 250lbs and mildly active.  I'm gonna need something to lug myself around.

There seems to me to be a logical error here.  If what you want to do is stay at 250 lb, but perhaps change that from partly fat to all muscle, then eating enough to maintain that weight makes sense.  If what you want is to lose weight, though, it doesn't make sense to make sure you eat enough to maintain that weight.


But when you restrict calories from you basic daily need, your metabolism slows down.  I've done that for years and so my metabolism is ground to a halt. 

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #94 on: February 04, 2010, 01:42:20 PM »
Weight = 252  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  What the hell is going on!!?!?!?

Could time of the month have something to do with it?

But when you restrict calories from you basic daily need, your metabolism slows down.  I've done that for years and so my metabolism is ground to a halt.

I feel like we're talking past each other here.  If you want an explanation, I can explain in terms of fat metabolism, but if you just want empty reassurance, I'm happy to drop it.


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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #95 on: February 04, 2010, 02:41:50 PM »
nope...not time of the month I am mid cycle right now...mind you my cycle is short (21 days) so...well I guess I'll see how it plays out.  Won't change my desire to be on paleo :-)

yes fat metabolism...explain.  Wlfdg gave me an excellent article on the hierarchy of fat.  But maybe I am still eating too many carbs?  And too many at one sitting?  Like a pear for instance yesterday was 43 grams at one sitting.  I was 110 overall for the day....but maybe still not low enough.  I'm gonna try below 50?

I don't want any pats on the head! LOL!  I want the truth!  I CAN handle the truth :-D

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #96 on: February 04, 2010, 02:49:58 PM »
Lower your carbs, get rid of any processed food. What is in the gravy you use? No more diet sodas.

Stop weighing yourself every day.

Also do you still need to be taking cimetidine? It can mess with your hormones and digestion.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2010, 04:11:29 PM by samjohn »

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #97 on: February 04, 2010, 02:55:44 PM »
I wrote this in another thread. If you're tracking weight do NOT pay attention to the day-to-day. Use a calendar, write down your daily weight and look at the columns not rows. That is, look at the weight change from Monday to Monday, not Monday to Tuesday.

This has worked for me 3 times before. If you'd like credentials, I've been "successful" in losing significant amounts of weight 2+ times (the + is for right now) before.

The first time was when I had much less muscle and just wanted to be skinny (180 -> 140). That was in college.
Then I just got fat (210 -> 170) right after college.
And most recently (195 -> ??) - this time it's a "lifestyle change", not a "diet"

Motivation is hard. Watching weight from day to day will BUTCHER your motivation. I weighed myself before and after a crap this morning, and it changed the scale by almost 2 pounds!

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2010, 04:09:42 PM »
Lower your carbs, get rid of any processed food. What is in the gravy you use? No more diet sodas.

Stop weighing yourself every day.

Also do you still need to be taking cimetidine? It can mess with your hormones and digestion.

I can lower my carbs.....I don't eat any processed food now.  The gravy is made from the meat drippings at the bottom of the roast pan.  I put the pan on a burner....add boiling water....scrape all that carmelized fat and flavour off the bottom and then let it boil and reduce for a bit.  There's no thickener or salt or anything.  It's delicious.  

Diet sodas......I've had those occaisionally on the weekend.  They're hardly regular part of my diet.  I can cut those out.

Cimetidine...yes I have to still take it.  I take it for it's histamine blocking properties not for my digestion.  I have Chronic Urticaria and I take antihistamines to prevent myself in breaking out in head to toe hives daily.  Should only be for 5 or 6 more months (fingers crossed).
« Last Edit: February 04, 2010, 04:11:49 PM by samjohn »

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2010, 07:31:43 PM »
nope...not time of the month I am mid cycle right now...mind you my cycle is short (21 days) so...well I guess I'll see how it plays out.  Won't change my desire to be on paleo :-)

Okay.  Just a thought, since the variation seemed to be more than just noise.

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yes fat metabolism...explain.

Okay.  This will be a little long, but I think it's worthwhile to understand.

First, let's start with Taubes' bottom line in his video lecture and book.  That bottom line is, "carbohydrates drive insulin drives fat".  What this means is that eating carbohydrates causes an increase in insulin levels, which in turn tells the fat cells to absorb nutrients - both glucose from carbohydrates, as well as fat that was absorbed directly or converted from carbohydrates in the liver.  Normally fat cells just release fat when the levels in the bloodstream get low, but the insulin causes them to absorb fat rather than release it.

Now, what do we expect to happen on a standard low calorie diet?  Well, these diets tend still to be relatively high in carbohydrate, but very low in fat.  The carbohydrate drives the insulin, which drives the fat cells to absorb any available fat.  Since there isn't much fat in the diet to start with, the level in the bloodstream gets very low.  That's what triggers the cells in the rest of the body to drop their metabolism rate and shut down.  And that's why standard low calorie diets don't work well.

In contrast, what happens when calories are low on a paleolithic hunting diet?  In this case, the diet will have almost no carbohydrates.  Insulin levels will stay low, and fat cells will continue to release available fat as long as they have it.  Until the fat cells get depleted, the cells in the rest of the body will see adequate levels of fat in the bloodstream and will not shut down.  This would have been critically important to our paleolithic ancestors, where the way to recover from a failed hunt would not have been to shut down, but to stay active and make sure the next hunt was a success.  Only when fat reserves get critically low does the body conclude there's no game to be had and substantially shut down the metabolism rate.

Note that I'm decidedly not advocating a forced low calorie paleo diet to the point of ignoring actual hunger.  Real hunger, as opposed to carb cravings, is likely a sign that the body needs nutrients and may cut down the metabolism shortly.  What I am saying is that in the absence of hunger, food is not needed to maintain metabolism.  On a paleolithic diet, a properly functioning body with adequate fat reserves can maintain a healthy metabolic level while getting most of its energy from stored fat.  Setting a numeric calorie goal to get enough calories for 'maintenance' just means that the body will get its calories from food rather than from stored fat, preventing weight loss.

In other words, trust your body to tell you how much food it needs, instead of going for a numeric goal.  If you want to track something, track the percentage of calories from protein, fat, and carbohydrates, but don't worry about the absolute amount.

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But maybe I am still eating too many carbs?  And too many at one sitting?

I doubt that how much you eat at one sitting makes a difference.  However, it does seem like women need to limit their carbohydrates more than do men in order to lose weight.  Simply dropping nonpaleo foods seems to be sufficient for men, even if they eat fruit.  In contrast, women seem to need to limit even their paleo carbs.  The best documented case I can find of a woman going from fat to thin on paleo while a member of this forum is karlin, and looking back through her posts it seems like she didn't eat much fruit, and even limited some vegetables, though perhaps she could provide more detail herself.

That women might need to more strictly restrict carbohydrates makes sense from what's known of the differences between male and female metabolisms.  Men get some of their energy from anaerobic metabolism even at aerobic levels of exertion; that anaerobic metabolism uses more glycogen - the material glucose is stored as in muscle - than does aerobic metabolism.  That means that a certain amount of carbohydrate in the diet will go towards fueling the muscles rather than driving the fat cells to absorb the available fat.  In contrast, women can operate on an almost entirely aerobic metabolism, burning fat only, so perhaps any carbohydrate is more likely to drive the fat cells to absorb fat instead of releasing it, causing hunger rather than weight loss.

So in answer to your question, it probably wouldn't hurt to drop the fruit entirely for a couple of weeks.  Your liver can always make any glucose it needs from protein using gluconeogenesis.

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #100 on: February 05, 2010, 03:59:44 PM »
up at 6am.  Terrible nights sleeping (snoring hubby and nocturnal child)
Weight = 250....headed in a better direction!
BM = 1 this am!  Not great but at least happening

Breakfast @700am:

60 mg Allegra, 400 mg Cimetidine, 1 Omega 3, 3000 IU Vitamin D

Beef chuck, 226 grams
Pears, fresh, 113 grams
Regular Coffee, 1 cup (8 fl oz)

Lunch @ 12pm:

Kirkland Signature Wild Pacific Mahi-Mahi, 2 serving
Avocados, California (Haas), 1 fruit without skin and seeds
Regular Coffee, 1 cup (8 fl oz)
Walnuts, 2 oz

4pm 60 mg Allegra, 400 mg Cimetidine, 1 Omega 3, 2000 IU Vitamin D.

Supper @ 645pm:

400 mg Cimetidine

Venison, 113 grams
Tea, brewed, 6 fl oz
Coconut Oil, 1 tbsp
Celery, raw, 3 stalk, medium (7-1/2" - 8" long)
MaraNatha Almond Butter, 3 tbsp

11pm (TBD) 100 ug Synthroid

                                      CALORIES       CARBS             FAT       PROTEIN     
              Totals:                1,837           55             123            143    
Your Daily Goal:    2,000 - 2,400    40 - 60    130 - 140    125 - 150

11.6 % Carbohydrates, 30 % Proteins, 58.3 % Fat for the day.  Pretty good!  Felt good today.  First time eating venison and it rocked!!!
« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 07:15:36 PM by Sassenach »

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #101 on: February 06, 2010, 10:20:32 PM »
Up at 630am.
Weight = 251 lbs
BM = 0

7am:

Regular Coffee, 6 fl oz
Born 3 Eggs Omega - 3 (1 Large Egg), 1 serving

8am:

Gym workout - Power Clean>Front Squat>Push Press, Janda Situps.

Breakfast 915am:

Born 3 Eggs Omega - 3 (1 Large Egg), 2 serving
Lard, 0.25 tbsp
Pears, fresh, 226 grams
Bacon, 5 medium slices, cooked (raw product packed 20/lb)
Regular Coffee, 6 fl oz

Lunch 1230pm (out for daughter's bday):

Fried Egg, 2 large
Ground Beef Patty 4 oz., 1.5 serving
Oranges, 0.25 small (2-3/8in. dia)
Decaffeinated Coffee, 1 cup (8 fl oz)

Supper 7pm (shopping...what a weird day!)

AW Mozza Burger w/ No bun, 1 serving

Snack 830pm:

Old Dutch Bacon Puffs - 1 serving is 50g, 0.5 serving
Avocados, California (Haas), 0.25 cup, pureed
Walnuts, 0.5 oz (14 halves)
Hazelnuts, 0.5 oz

400 mg Cimetidine, 60 mg Allegra, 100 ug Synthroid, 1 Omega 3 capsule, 2000 IU Vitamin D.

                                CALORIES     CARBS             FAT        PROTEIN     
              Totals:    1984                   58            145             132    
Your Daily Goal:    2,000 - 2,400    40 - 60    130 - 140    125 - 150

25.6 % Protein, 11.3 % Carbs, 63.2 % Fat.....Strange day running around preparing for daughters 5th bday party tomorrow.   Workout felt good.  Food wasn't bad considering my choices....
« Last Edit: February 07, 2010, 06:54:53 AM by Sassenach »

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #102 on: February 07, 2010, 02:47:42 AM »
Food wasn't bad considering my choices....
If I can't eat what I want to eat I don't eat until I can.

What are pork rinds and bacon puffs?

How much water are you drinking?

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #103 on: February 07, 2010, 04:25:03 AM »
Food wasn't bad considering my choices....
If I can't eat what I want to eat I don't eat until I can.

What are pork rinds and bacon puffs?

How much water are you drinking?

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Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« Reply #104 on: February 07, 2010, 06:56:45 AM »
Food wasn't bad considering my choices....
If I can't eat what I want to eat I don't eat until I can.

What are pork rinds and bacon puffs?

How much water are you drinking?

I didn't have both...sorry!  Just the Bacon Puffs which are puffed bacon fat with salt.  I dipped them in guacamole (homemade...just avocado and non salt spices and lime juice).  I'll edit my menu.

Yesterday I probably drank about 6 glasses of water.  Should I up it?