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Re: Selina's dodgy but honest Food Journal...
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2011, 08:29:17 AM »
Well I slept in this morning so my whole day was out of whack.

B...4 eggs 1 mandarin
Lunch 2 pieces leftover paleo pizza
Dinner...some chicken,veggies with butter,boiled eggs
1am snack, 4 scrambled eggs, 1 boiled egg. Went out and came home starving. And that's so far because it's 1.30am and I'm still hungry.

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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2011, 05:04:13 AM »
 Scrambled eggs
Boiled eggs
Mandarins
Sauté chicken with cauliflower
Roast lamb with cabbage carrots broccoli spinach pumpkin
Apple and pear crumble with cream
Apple and rhubarb crumble with cream (honey to sweeten) crumbles made with butter, almond meal,coconut flour,walnuts.
Coffee black and with cream
Piece of 85% chocolate

Think that's it. Still craving sweet stuff as can be seen.

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« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2011, 04:29:14 AM »
Well I might be the only one to see how far out of the diet I've swayed in the last few days...

Made choc orange cake with honey...so had that and 85% cocoa powder. Plus banana pancakes. All paleo but high in natural sugars. Did have cream ( double cream actually) in coffee and on the pancakes. And Zymil milk in coffee. Dont know if it's the cream or all the almond meal I've consumed but I've had more heartburn and diarrhea :(
The rest has been the usual eggs,salad,meat,veggies. Some goats cheese tonight also.

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Re: Selina's dodgy but honest Food Journal...
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2011, 07:03:41 PM »
Oh no! Unfortunately those treats have a tendency to get away on us. Perhaps you need to go cold turkey on the sweet stuff for a few weeks to break the cycle? I found it took about three weeks sugar-free to adjust my taste buds.

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« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2011, 08:14:03 PM »
Yes but how do I stop the cravings? Yesterday I stuck to it till the afternoon when we had a coffee ( we were out) and hubby broke and had apple and raspberry crumble at the cafe and I had some of my homemade choc orange paleo cake. But I had more heartburn during the day till then. All I had till then was scrambled eggs in butter, coffee,boiled eggs,strawberries,mandarin,tuna tinned in lemon pepper and olive oil.

This heartburn is not fun.

We were out for dinner too but the place was really accommodating. Had prawns, avocado and lemon. Grilled perch with tomato,onion,garlic,pumpkin,carrot and asparagus.
We told them I had allergies, because I'm sure they thought we were pains.

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« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2011, 10:23:12 PM »
When I have cravings I make myself eat a paleo meal, and tell myself if the craving is still there afterwards I'll have a little of whatever-it-is. Usually the craving goes away though. And try to organise your life so you don't have to eat out! For a few weeks at least until the worst of the cravings are over. Eating out makes it too hard.

If you've got heartburn I'd suggest you need to cut the coffee. Coffee stimulates a lot of stomach acid.   :'(   Try drinking ginger tea instead - the ginger is warming on the stomach, or a tea made from dill seeds and chamomile is soothing. One of those should help. If you get caffeine withdrawal headaches, some weak white tea (I mean White Tea served black, not Black Tea with milk) might help you through the worst while giving your stomach a break. I find starchy foods the best for mopping up excess stomach acid - for paleo you could use some starchy veg. Otherwise you might need to dial back the egg white - egg white can be an irritant for some people. But try the coffee first - it's the more likely cause and not paleo and not even food, so a better thing to cut out. Also, you often have cream or milk with the coffee, right? Get rid of the coffee and you get rid of another problem too.

A Traditional Chinese Medicine remedy might help if those things aren't enough.
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Re: Selina's dodgy but honest Food Journal...
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2011, 11:38:44 PM »
It is best just to let go of foods like cake or pancakes. Despite being made with semi palo ingredients, they'll still be very high in carbs and very sweet. These kinds of things can kick off a landslide of cheating, and prolong your cravings rather than getting rid of them.

Eat strict for a few weeks, the cravings will be gone as will the heartburn. If you're hungry, eat more fatty meat. Some find fruit helps with the cravings, but lots of that can often slow your weightloss (if that is your goal).

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/p-nu/201104/smoking-candy-cigarettes
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2011, 12:50:32 AM »
Yes I think it may be the coffee and if that doesn't work I'll try the egg whites.

And yes I may have to go to bare paleo for a bit and stop with the cakes, just me eating them, I have to still make them for the family. :)

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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2011, 03:37:15 AM »
Havent updated in a while but my diet is along the same lines although my appetite has declined a lot and I can't seem to eat much. I've also had the heartburn and diarrhea has been rampant the last 4 days.

I stopped coffee for 4 days to see if that was causing the heartburn but still got it. The diarrhea could be the diet or because I had to go into a gastroenteritis quarantined nursing home this week.

I've been sticking to it pretty much and also got a primal recipe book and I'm comparing recipes as in what's allowed etc.

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« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2011, 05:08:29 AM »
Sorry to hear you've been unwell Selina. Hopefully the diarrhoea is from gastro and will just go away in a few days. Otherwise it may be a specific food that's upsetting you. You might need to do an elimination diet to find out what. I'm thinking if this just started after going paleo, maybe you have something like fructose malabsorption? Most irritating foods should have been eliminated, the things that will have increased are meat, fish, eggs, veges, fruit and nuts. Looking at each of those:
- Meat is very unlilely to cause allergies, although some people who are allergic to milk also find beef a problem.
- Fish allergies, and especially shellfish, are more common, but they don't usually cause gastro symptoms, so it's probably not fish.
- Egg white and nuts are more common allergens, wouldn't be too hard to cut out those for a few weeks to see if it helps.
- Veges and fruit, most likely is fructose malabsorption or maybe the FODMAP thing.  http://shepherdworks.com.au/disease-information/low-fodmap-diet

If the diarrhoea doesn't clear, you could try a few weeks of paleo, but eliminating beef, egg white, nuts and all the FODMAP fruits and veges. Then, assuming you're better, reintroduce them in that order at least four days apart. If you're not better in a couple of weeks it would probably be a good idea to see a gastroenterologist to eliminate the possibility of anything serious.

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Re: Selina's dodgy but honest Food Journal...
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2011, 04:47:04 AM »
Its a few months in now on paleo...Im still having a few cheats but my stomach seems to have settled down now. Im not as energetic as I was at the beginning but that could have something to do with late nights also.
The food we are eating stays along the same lines mostly....

Breakfast either scrambled eggs or omelette with mushrooms, tomatoes, onion, bacon.
Morning tea snack is either a couple of boiled eggs or a banana.
Lunch is either leftovers from dinner or tuna, tomato and avocado. These are generally tinned ones in oil.
Dinner is fish or lamb or chicken with whatever veggies we have on hand. We make a couple of things regularly like coconut curry with either chicken or prawns...

We eat quite a lot of strawberries and hubby loves his fruit. Mandarins and bananas.
I cheat once a day with a capuccino that the milk bar next door to work makes with Zymil milk for me.

The other things that are not really paleo but have eased cravings which are still happening...Choc Orange cake made with almond meal, cocoa powder and 1/3 cup honey. And I make cookies from almond meal, eggs, macadamia oil, nuts, coconut and a spoonful of honey. Makes a big batch for all of us to snack on.

We had 2 breakouts so far..one was normal pizza and we had cheesecake and choc pudding and we were both sick. Last night was an 18th and we shared a slice of sponge cake. He ate the icing and cake, I ate the fresh cream and some sponge cake. Probably about 4 mouthfuls. No side effects from that.

I guess thats about it, I know the zymil and coffee arent great but I dont seem to have any effects from it. I get more stomach problems if I have any cream. And I buy the purest I can find. My weight has stayed the same for ages now... 63kg and doesnt seem to change very much.

Still have cramps in the legs but Ive been taking magnesium. Thats flavoured and we cant get magnesium cream here that I read about somewhere else. It eases the cramps...
Any comments welcome....

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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2011, 05:36:35 AM »
Breakfast either scrambled eggs or omelette with mushrooms, tomatoes, onion, bacon.
Morning tea snack is either a couple of boiled eggs or a banana.
Lunch is either leftovers from dinner or tuna, tomato and avocado. These are generally tinned ones in oil.
Dinner is fish or lamb or chicken with whatever veggies we have on hand. We make a couple of things regularly like coconut curry with either chicken or prawns...

Are you eating only when hungry or do you "eat to the clock?" If you are not hungry then you do not need to eat. Also, breakfast can be anything (paleo), it does not have to be eggs and bacon. You could have fish and coconut for breakfast. Eating the same thing every morning because it is seen as a "breakfast food" traps you into thinking that is what you have to eat, whereas you should be following your instincts more on what to eat. And even though eggs are considered paleo, they were more of a treat for paleo humans, like honey.

We eat quite a lot of strawberries and hubby loves his fruit. Mandarins and bananas.
I cheat once a day with a capuccino that the milk bar next door to work makes with Zymil milk for me.

I would avoid all dairy if you are dealing with any health issues, as it will interfere with trying to figure out the source of those problems. http://www.rawpaleodiet.com/articles/dairy-food-articles/ has information of why you should avoid dairy, which causes all sorts of health problems, especially with the harmful high levels of calcium, and addictive opioids.


The other things that are not really paleo but have eased cravings which are still happening...Choc Orange cake made with almond meal, cocoa powder and 1/3 cup honey. And I make cookies from almond meal, eggs, macadamia oil, nuts, coconut and a spoonful of honey. Makes a big batch for all of us to snack on.

Those things don't ease cravings, they maintain your current craving-level or addiction. If you want to ease or eliminate cravings you need to eliminate the offending foods and replace them with healing meat and fats. Honey is just white sugar with trace amounts of nutrients added, and not even a whole food (for that you would need to eat honey as it is in the hive, with pollen, wax, royal jelly, pollen and propolis). Your diet contains a large amount of nuts, which are inflammatory and hard on the digestive system.

Eating paleo does not mean eating any amount of foods that man had access to in paleolithic times. If that were the case, a diet of nothing but fruit would be a paleo diet. The paleo diet was mostly ruminant meat from wild game and small amounts of wild fruit and vegetables. Grass-fed beef and lamb are close modern substitutes for wild game. Like most people who are coming from a non-paleo diet, it sounds like you are still struggling with carb cravings. I am no exception and experienced the same. I recommend sticking to a diet of nothing but meat and vegetables, or only meat, if you are going to get your carb cravings under control. Eliminate the non-paleo foods (dairy, almond flour, etc.) as well as the foods that would have rarely been eaten (nuts and seeds, honey, etc.). Eliminate fruit until you have carb cravings under control. Then your body can make better use of the fats in the meat.

We had 2 breakouts so far..one was normal pizza and we had cheesecake and choc pudding and we were both sick. Last night was an 18th and we shared a slice of sponge cake. He ate the icing and cake, I ate the fresh cream and some sponge cake. Probably about 4 mouthfuls. No side effects from that.

You are feeding the craving, not easing it.

I guess thats about it, I know the zymil and coffee arent great but I dont seem to have any effects from it. I get more stomach problems if I have any cream. And I buy the purest I can find. My weight has stayed the same for ages now... 63kg and doesnt seem to change very much.

Still have cramps in the legs but Ive been taking magnesium. Thats flavoured and we cant get magnesium cream here that I read about somewhere else. It eases the cramps...
Any comments welcome....

Also, I see no mention of organ meats, which is where most/many of your micronutrients should come from. Liver is high in Vitamin A, Copper and Riboflavin. Heart has CoQ10 (see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coq10#Heart_health). Kidney contains Selenium and many other vitamins in large amounts. Both Spleen, Kidney and Brain contain significant Vitamin C when eaten raw. By eating fat such as bone marrow and suet or tallow, and cutting out nuts and seeds, you will be getting more healing fats, and more omega-3 fatty acids.

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Re: Selina's dodgy but honest Food Journal...
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2011, 05:36:35 AM »