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Cutting for Scandinavian Open BJJ 2007
« on: September 02, 2007, 09:13:39 AM »
I've decided to compete at Scandinavian Open BJJ in the super feather division -64 kgs (with the gi), I was 66,6 kgs at Choke Cup yesterday so I need to lose around 3 kgs in 6 weeks. I'm still gonna be using the same principles as last time, but I'll be more strict with logging my food since I was really slipping during the last week  before Choke Cup.

So basicly I'll be doing the following:

6 days: <30g of net-carbs (certain veggies not counted)
1 day: carb-load (at least 75/25 % healthy vs. junk)

I'll also be cycling my food intake, so some days I'll be eating slightly above maitenence and some days I'll be eating way under. I'm not gonna be counting calories though, since I've actually experienced better weightloss by just eating instinctually.
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Re: Cutting for Scandinavian Open BJJ 2007
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2007, 11:27:37 AM »
Things aren't really going too well with my weightloss, so I've decided to try a more radical approach. After learning more about it on the Crossfit and Performance Menu forums I've decided to take a crack at intermittent fasting. I've been skipping breakfast for the last few days and today I went to BJJ training fasted, I didn't feel any difference in my energy levels.

The IF protocol I'm currently following has an 8 hour eating window, which means I just skip breakfast and have a slightly bigger lunch and dinner. I'm a bit more liberal with carbs, but still make sure to get them from paleo sources 90% of the time.


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Re: Cutting for Scandinavian Open BJJ 2007
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2007, 04:30:14 AM »
Things aren't really going too well with my weightloss, so I've decided to try a more radical approach. After learning more about it on the Crossfit and Performance Menu forums I've decided to take a crack at intermittent fasting. I've been skipping breakfast for the last few days and today I went to BJJ training fasted, I didn't feel any difference in my energy levels.

The IF protocol I'm currently following has an 8 hour eating window, which means I just skip breakfast and have a slightly bigger lunch and dinner. I'm a bit more liberal with carbs, but still make sure to get them from paleo sources 90% of the time.

Hey, can you keep us (okay, me) posted on how your fasting turns out? How often are you fasting and what is your total caloric loss due to fasting? How long and hard do you train fasted? Are you experiencing more muscle loss than with just regular cutting?

Sorry for all the questions - but thanks if you take the time to answer them!

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Re: Cutting for Scandinavian Open BJJ 2007
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2007, 02:36:13 PM »
I fast every until my lunchbreak, which is usually somewhere between 12.00 and 14.00. At lunch I have a small meal, today I had 2 chicken thighs and an avocado. I have my second meal when I get home at around 20.00, this is my big meal where I just eat until I feel full.

I've experienced no decrease in energy, I even train BJJ fasted on the weekends for 2 hours and feel no different than I did before. I've yet to try a fasted evening session on thursday, but will report back on how it goes next week. I haven't experienced any loss of strength or muscle either.

I have no idea how many calories I'm eating, I just eat until I feel full. If I were to guess I'd say I'm getting anywhere between 1200 and 2000 kcals per day depending on my appetite, some days I don't really feel very hungry and other days I just keep eating.

Even though I said I would be more liberal with carbs I'm not really eating more than I usually do, I simply don't feel like it.

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Re: Cutting for Scandinavian Open BJJ 2007
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2007, 11:11:26 AM »
What's Scandinavian Open BJJ?

You know what, I think the reason your weight loss is not going well is because you aren't counting calories. In your position, in your situation, it's the essential bit. Preparing for competitions sounds very serious, and if you can, you need to be serious about this part too. Try it for a couple of days, find you approx. need, and you'd easily shed the kgs.

So, what's the competion about?  :)


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Re: Cutting for Scandinavian Open BJJ 2007
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2007, 01:29:40 AM »
I fast every until my lunchbreak ... with carbs I'm not really eating more than I usually do, I simply don't feel like it.


Thanks so much for the update. Every now and then I toy with the idea of fasting because I've known a couple of people who've done it (for various religious observances) and I just generally find it interesting, but then I chicken out because (basically) I'm a big baby about being hungry. If I didn't eat until noon I'd become the biggest b*t*c* imaginable, and I know it.

Have you ever checked out the bodybuilding.com forums for contest preparation advice? I know it's more of weight lifting/strength training site, but there's a ton of information there on cutting and all that. I dunno, I'm not a big fan of the site (I think it's got a serious idiot infestation problem), but I know someone who used it quite a bit when he started getting serious about his 'program' and has found some of the advice useful?

In any event, good luck with your fast - and your competition. :)

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Re: Cutting for Scandinavian Open BJJ 2007
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2007, 10:05:02 AM »
Thanks, I'll check out the bb.com forums.

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I'm done with cutting!
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 10:39:57 PM »
I've been thinking about this for a while, and after discussing it with another member of my academy last night I've decided to stop cutting and not enter Scandinavian Open.

I realised that I don't really have a reason for entering, I won at Choke Cup and I really don't have anything to prove to myself anymore. During the last few weeks training had become a chore and I wasn't enjoying it like I used to, so I've decided that I need to change my whole approach to training, I'm just gonna relax and have fun with it.

Also, since I've been cutting more or less for 2 years (and lost 22 kgs while doing it), I've decided that it's time to start bulking up a bit. I'm currently reading up on weightlifting programs and trying to decide on something that looks good (suggestions are welcome btw.), I'll be making a new thread to log my bulking efforts.

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Re: I'm done with cutting!
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2007, 06:47:48 PM »
I've been thinking about this for a while, and after discussing it with another member of my academy last night I've decided to stop cutting and not enter Scandinavian Open.

I realised that I don't really have a reason for entering, I won at Choke Cup and I really don't have anything to prove to myself anymore. During the last few weeks training had become a chore and I wasn't enjoying it like I used to, so I've decided that I need to change my whole approach to training, I'm just gonna relax and have fun with it.

Also, since I've been cutting more or less for 2 years (and lost 22 kgs while doing it), I've decided that it's time to start bulking up a bit. I'm currently reading up on weightlifting programs and trying to decide on something that looks good (suggestions are welcome btw.), I'll be making a new thread to log my bulking efforts.

The whole Bulking cycle then Cutting cycle then Repeat thing always seemed pretty odd to me.

I know it can be effective but keep in mind it started with bodybuilding in the 70s, a "sport" where steroids have always been a big part of development.

Muscle is well and good but for overall best health and fitness you have to have muscle in addition to stamina, quickness, cardio, flexibility, etc.