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2 weeks - no results
« on: December 07, 2011, 03:26:50 PM »
Hi everyone,

I'm new to Paleo. I read about it and a friend has been doing it for three years and has had good results so I thought I'd give it a shot. I've been on it for two weeks now.

The problem is, I haven't seen any results. In fact, I now have some constipation.

I went on Paleo because my eczema really became bad this year. While it's currently under better control, it is still really bad on my legs and I haven't seen any improvements on Paleo.

I am going to bed early but usually wake up during the night (which has been over the past year as well).

I am trying to relax and reduce my stress but I don't seem to be getting better. My energy level is much lower than I have been used to in the past. It seems I can only work for an hour or so before I need to rest again.

I have seen a few doctors about my skin but, while I have improved, it just doesn't seem to go away completely.

Although I would like to exercise (and did so a lot in the past), I have trouble exercising because the sweat makes my skin worse. It also causes me to get quite exhausted after a few days of exercise in a row. I do walk each day though for about 2 hours spread over the course of a day.

I also get cold hands and feet. It gets worse when I haven't had enough sleep or am under stress. I do programming so I sit a lot although I do take stretch breaks every 45 minutes. I have asthma and a severe peanut allergy.

My diet so far has mainly been:

Breakfast - bacon and/or sausage with vegetables
Lunch - pork or beef with vegetables
Dinner - fish with vegetables

I am cooking everything usually with lard or olive oil. Vegetables usually consist of a mixture of onions, carrots, eggplant, tomatoes, green onions, cabbage, lettuce or bell peppers.

I haven't been eating much fruit because I gained about 20 pounds over the past year (although I don't really look fat) but I might start eating a little more.

I would appreciate any help or suggestions. I just don't really know why I'm not getting better and am getting really frustrated.

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Re: 2 weeks - no results
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 05:19:33 PM »
If your liver is all shot, abundant cooked meat / cooked fish may not be appropriate now.

Have you read my eczema cure protocol at http://www.eczemacure.info

And note that it says raw paleo diet?

Have you done any detox protocols?
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Re: 2 weeks - no results
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 05:49:46 PM »
No I haven't done any detox protocols.  I can't really find my way around your site to where it suggests a specific diet.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2011, 06:02:43 PM »
No I haven't done any detox protocols.  I can't really find my way around your site to where it suggests a specific diet.

Cure protocol is here http://www.eczemacure.info/blog/2008/09/02/september-2008-eczema-and-psoriasis-cure-protocol/
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Re: 2 weeks - no results
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 07:53:43 PM »
It may take more than a couple of weeks.  Also you might consider a 2000-5000 IU vitamin D supplement daily, as vitamin D is important in regulating growth, including growth of skin cells.

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Re: 2 weeks - no results
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2011, 01:06:16 AM »
Eczema is a very complex condition and it generally takes a long time to heal. My DD developed eczema when she was four, at times so bad she was doing hospital clinics and wet-wrap bandages from head to toe. After a few months on high-fat paleo she improved to the point where she felt she might be able to wean off steroids for the first time. (She's 18 now.) She did a lot of research and decided her skin was steroid-addicted and she would have to get off the steroids if she ever wanted to be cured. She is following the protocol advised by Dr Motostugu Fukaya.

His argument is that before the invention of steroids, adult eczema was very very rare. Children got eczema but they grew out of it. He believes most (nearly all) adult eczema is actually a condition caused by steroid dependency.

He wrote a book about it (in Japanese) that has loads of pictures of the typical healing process, which can take up to two years.  http://www.ishiyaku.co.jp/search/details.aspx?bookcode=201400  (DD reads Japanese.) Here's a chapter in English translation with photos:  http://www18.ocn.ne.jp/~steroids/eng.html I don't think there is an English version of the book.

Six months on again, she is still flaring intermittently quite badly, but there are now patches of skin that have healed completely. (Areas of lichenification now lovely soft skin that stays normal during flare-ups.) She is feeling very positive as she now feels it can be beaten and she won't have to live the rest of her life with eczema. She is expecting the next year to be a bit tough still. (In fact she has decided not to go to uni next year but to study for a stenography diploma from home instead to allow for intermittent eczema misery. Uni can wait.) She's hoping that by the end of next year the flares will be much milder and further apart, and after another year she might be completely healed. ie normal skin all over and no more flares, ever.

She's been seeing a Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner too, to try to speed up the healing process.

I have no idea if any of that is helpful to you as it would depend on the nature of your eczema and your age and so on. However I think it's very unlikely anybody would be cured of severe eczema in two weeks on anything but strong drugs that just suppress the eczema so it comes back to bite you as soon as you stop. Try to be patient. If you can stick with paleo you should hopefully see a noticeable improvement within three months.

There could also be elements of allergy (eg contact allergies) complicating the picture. Things that might help include dermasilk underwear  http://www.dermasilk.com.au/, changing your washing detergent and so on. We found the best washing detergent Sno-seal Sport Wash:  http://www.atsko.com/index.php?option=com_tienda&view=products&task=view&id=44&filter_category=43&Itemid=119

Regarding the constipation, a bit of fruit might help. Try grapes, kiwifruit, mangos or fresh figs, one of them will probably do the trick.

Good luck!

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Re: 2 weeks - no results
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2011, 02:34:18 AM »
Hi Jean, thank you for your comments and I hope your daughter gets better.  Actually, my girlfriend is Japanese so I will ask if she can read it.  I'm learning Japanese but it is nowhere near good enough to read a book.

I've had dandruff all my life but my eczema mainly started around 10 years ago (I'm 30 now).  It has gone through ups and downs and seems to move around.  Sometimes it is bad on my hands, sometimes on my back, sometimes on my legs, etc.  This last year was the worse.  I moved to Japan and the heat in the summer gets much hotter than it does in Canada.  Although in 2002, I lived in Hong Kong for the summer which also gets hot and didn't have any issues which I found strange.

Because it was so bad to the point I wasn't sleeping, I went back to Canada in August for three months.  Pretty much everywhere is under control except my legs which have gotten worse this past week (I came back to Japan a couple weeks ago).  In Canada, there was even a couple weeks where my energy really improved and my skin felt so good.  It was short-lived but it helped give me hope.

I just bought new detergent today and will give that a try.  Thanks for the support.

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Re: 2 weeks - no results
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 01:55:54 PM »
Hi Matt,

I am worried that you aren't getting a good night sleep. My partner has a skin irritation too, and he finds his body twitches throughout the night which distracts him from sleep. But I also think that the thoughts he has about the bodily irritation (e.g. "I'm never going to get to sleep!" or "Now I'm going to be tired all day tomorrow!") also prevents him from sleeping well.

I'm on placement as a provisional psychologist, and some of my clients also have issues with sleep, and I recommend mindfulness meditation either to help get them to sleep, or to get them back asleep after waking. Have a look at this link if you are interested (its not my link, just one a found that is a good summery):

http://christymatta.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/mindfulness-to-help-you-sleep/

You can also google "mindfulness for sleep"

The basic idea is to focus on your breath as a form of relaxation, and to also acknowledge your thoughts as they come, but not to buy into them. E.g. acknowledge the thought "I'm going to have a rotten nights sleep" - but then label it as simply a thought, not a fact or a truth, and return to focussing on the breath.

A lot of people also find it helpful to imagine their thought being pulled out of their head, and putting the thought into a moving river, where it slowly drifts off down the river, then gently bringing their attention back to the breath. This mindfulness exercises takes practice but it can be very helpful and is gaining quite a lot of attention in the psychological research literature the moment.

If you continue to struggling with getting to sleep or staying asleep, I'd suggest seeing a sleep specialist or a health psychologist to work on strategies that suit you. A health psychologist can also help you to keep on track with the diet you've chosen and create other strategies to minimise the exacerbation of the skin irritation.

I hope some of this was helpful, but only use this advice if it feels right to you.

AllyBelly

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Re: 2 weeks - no results
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2011, 05:43:57 PM »
It took me 6 months on paleo before I saw an improvement in my eczema, although it was worth the wait.  Now I only get a flare if I'm exposed to my triggers - dust, dairy, sweat.

Things that really do help me (apart from paleo diet obviously!)
1) eating lots of fat
2) bath not shower, not too hot, with oil
3) water filter
4) humidifier at night
5) eucerin
6) no carpets, limited soft furnishings, obsessive dusting
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Re: 2 weeks - no results
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 07:36:33 PM »
Eczema is a very complex condition and it generally takes a long time to heal.

I think eczema is simple and should be easy to heal once you address the root cause.

What will make eczema complex is if one has taken months of steroids.

I'm on raw paleo diet and I never ever get recurrences... ever... once I was on raw paleo diet some 4 years ago.  But now I'm too weird and anti-social because I eat bloody raw meat.  But at least I'm abundantly healthy.  Pick your poison.
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Re: 2 weeks - no results
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2011, 07:04:38 PM »
Hi Matt,

I am worried that you aren't getting a good night sleep. My partner has a skin irritation too, and he finds his body twitches throughout the night which distracts him from sleep. But I also think that the thoughts he has about the bodily irritation (e.g. "I'm never going to get to sleep!" or "Now I'm going to be tired all day tomorrow!") also prevents him from sleeping well.

I'm on placement as a provisional psychologist, and some of my clients also have issues with sleep, and I recommend mindfulness meditation either to help get them to sleep, or to get them back asleep after waking. Have a look at this link if you are interested (its not my link, just one a found that is a good summery):

http://christymatta.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/mindfulness-to-help-you-sleep/

You can also google "mindfulness for sleep"

The basic idea is to focus on your breath as a form of relaxation, and to also acknowledge your thoughts as they come, but not to buy into them. E.g. acknowledge the thought "I'm going to have a rotten nights sleep" - but then label it as simply a thought, not a fact or a truth, and return to focussing on the breath.

A lot of people also find it helpful to imagine their thought being pulled out of their head, and putting the thought into a moving river, where it slowly drifts off down the river, then gently bringing their attention back to the breath. This mindfulness exercises takes practice but it can be very helpful and is gaining quite a lot of attention in the psychological research literature the moment.

If you continue to struggling with getting to sleep or staying asleep, I'd suggest seeing a sleep specialist or a health psychologist to work on strategies that suit you. A health psychologist can also help you to keep on track with the diet you've chosen and create other strategies to minimise the exacerbation of the skin irritation.

I hope some of this was helpful, but only use this advice if it feels right to you.

AllyBelly

Thanks AllyBelly, yes I haven't been getting deep sleep at night for a while now.  I seem to wake up regularly.
Sometimes I can fall back asleep but other times not.  I have tried reading about similar techniques but thanks for pointing out those.

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2011, 10:28:11 PM »
What will make eczema complex is if one has taken months of steroids.

Or years or decades of steroids.

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