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From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« on: July 20, 2011, 07:15:31 PM »
***Please see reply #8 for my new intro***

This is a modified version of a topic I posted on the blood type diet forum.  I want to see what you guys think as well.  Note:  When I say "blood type O diet" I'm referring to eating paleo.  So here we go...

Hello!  My name is Matt, I'm 26 and live in Indianapolis.  I've been vegetarian for about 6 years (vegan for 3).  I have a YouTube Channel where I'm known for posting vegan / raw food recipes and doing cleanses / fasts etc.  I recently ate raw vegan for 30 days and during that time I got to the point where I started being honest with myself and realized how much I miss meat... and no it wasn't "detox" lol.  I've always craved meat since going veg back in 2005, eating raw just intensified it.

I've become interested in the blood type diet and have discovered that my blood type is O+.  I was shocked to see that the recommended diet is a hunter-gatherer diet and am trying to decide if I want to try it.  After 3 years of being vegan I'm still overweight / sluggish with no energy (I also have psoriasis) and grain being the problem is a completely new concept to me.  It makes sense though as our paleolithic ancestors didn't eat grain.

Has anyone or do you know of anyone who has successfully gone from vegan to the blood type O diet (paleo) with good results (weight loss, feeling better, more energy etc)?  The main reason I went veg was to avoid heart disease and cancer that runs in my family.  I was told by PETA and books etc that meat is the thing to avoid - so again, the grain theory is lingering in the back of my head.

If I were to do the blood type diet I would go totally paleo and just stick with lean meat, non-starchy vegetables and fruit that doesn't agglutinate type O blood.  There would be no dairy (which I'm already used to), gluten / grain or beans / legumes.  I'm still in the process of reading the book... so sorry about the newbie questions lol.  I'm also interested in the paleo diet, but I like that the blood type diet lists beneficial, neutral and avoid food depending on how it effects type O blood.

So, basically, I want to know:

Has any type O vegans switched to the blood type diet (paleo) with good results?

I'm thinking about trying it out for 30 days and documenting it on YouTube... I document everything on YouTube lol.  I keep thinking that I should call it The Blood Type O Paleo Diet or say that I eat the blood type O diet paleo style.  Most paleo diet people, from what I can tell so far, don't believe in the blood type diet.  I know Dr. Cordain says Dr. D'Adamo has the history wrong, like type A was actually the first blood type etc.  I don't really care about the history... I care about how food effects blood (like the grain thing).

Anyway, I figure when asked why I don't eat certain things I could use the blood type answer first (it agglutinates blood) and the paleo answer second (because our paleolithic anccestors didn't eat it).

Anyway, that's my introduction.  I'm vegan and thinking about switching to the blood type O diet (paleo) and need to know why I should and if anyone else has.  I'm not 100% convinced that I should switch, but I'm also not 100% happy with being vegan.

Okay, that's it.
Note, I'm not here to debate over veganism or the blood type diet.
I'm here to see what you guys think about going from vegan to paleo and if anyone (or if you know of anyone) has done it.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 08:18:09 AM by thatoneguyonline »

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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2011, 08:25:28 PM »
Welcome.

We have some former vegetarians here.  I'm not sure if they were vegan.  You could try searching for posts by paleodude.

Edit:  with respect to cancer and red meat, it should be pointed out that the same studies that show a slight increase in some types of cancer with red and processed meat show a decrease in other types of cancer.  See the discussion in this thread:

http://cavemanforum.com/research/a-prospective-study-of-red-and-processed-meat-intake-in-relation-to-cancer-risk/msg36501/#msg36501

And, the evidence indicates that adequate vitamin D intake - ideally from sunshine, but alternatively from supplements - helps much more than slightly in preventing cancer; see for example the study linked in this thread:

http://cavemanforum.com/research/vitamin-d-reduces-cancer-risk-(study-on-postmenopausal-women)/msg38569/?topicseen#msg38569
« Last Edit: July 20, 2011, 08:51:17 PM by Warren Dew »


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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2011, 11:56:35 PM »
I remember reading a few posts here by former vegans but can't remember the names. I think Good Samaritan said he was raw vegan and then fruitarian, and all his health problems vanished on raw paleo.

With regards to cancer, I firmly believe that natural animal products like fresh meat are not the problem. The reasons people eating the standard Western diet get more of certain types of cancer (colorectal and hormone-related cancers) are too much polyunsaturated fat (from seed oils), processed fats (hydrogenated, trans, heat- and hexane-extracted, etc), processed food in general, too much sugar, and probably a contribution from lectins (grains, legumes, dairy). The research I've seen where they tried to prove there was a connection between meat and colorectal cancer there either wasn't any link, or there were confounding factors like they included processed (non-paleo) meat (hot dogs etc) as "meat".

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After 3 years of being vegan I'm still overweight / sluggish with no energy (I also have psoriasis)

Paleo will probably help with all these things.

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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 02:36:39 AM »
 If you google "vegan to paleo" it will bring up a surprising amount of stuff....including personal blogs etc.

Post the link to your You Tube channel.....it will be interesting to follow your progress.

Good luck and good eating. :)




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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 07:40:32 AM »
I was vegan but didn't make the immediate jump from vegan to paleo.  I went from vegan to ovo-lacto vegetarian and eventually moved toward low carb and then to paleo. I stopped being vegan around 1998. I was low fat vegetarian until about 2000, then slowly transitioned to low carb in 2001. I began paleo in 2007 after being off low carb for a while.


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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 03:04:05 AM »
Thanks for the info, guys!

I posted a video on YouTube about my situation.  I explain how I'm thinking about going paleo and using the blood type diet recommendations as a way to tweak it.  I even mention this site / forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cxvYrtTIOM

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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2011, 08:05:28 PM »
I think I'm just going to stay vegan and go gluten free.

I posted a YouTube video on this subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRnqrq7XL_g

- Matt

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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2011, 10:23:21 AM »
I think I'm just going to stay vegan and go gluten free.

I posted a YouTube video on this subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRnqrq7XL_g

- Matt

Good luck to you. Come back here any time if it doesn't work out for you. 

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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 08:12:53 AM »
Hi, guys!  I'm back!  And I'm still questioning myself!

Okay, it's a year later and I again am interested in the paleo diet (I've been vegan this whole time).

I want to go paleo on my 28th birthday in October, but something keeps holding me back.  The reason I want to go paleo is because after 10 years of being on the plant based diet wagon (3 years of transitioning, 2 1/2 years of vegetarianism and 4 1/2 years of veganism) I'm starting to have health problems (overweight, no energy, bloated all the time, autoimmune disorder (psoriasis) worse than ever, depression, obsessed behavior, memory loss, cravings).

The other vegans in my life (mostly on FaceBook) are giving me crap about even mentioning the paleo diet.  They keep saying they do it for ethical reasons... basically trying to make me feel like I would be unethical if I start eating meat again (in so many words).  So, how can I get around the whole ethical / moral side of my dilemma?  I got into veganism for the "health benefits" and the ethical / moral thing was always just a back up reason for me.  I would still be against factory farming on the paleo diet, so I would try to buy meat from local / grass fed farms.  I guess I have to figure out what my morals are.

Anyway, this is my dilemma.  I physically feel like I should go paleo, but I can't get past the ethical / moral thing in my head.  I know my health problems would probably go away, but I don't want to lose the vegan title.  I'm so confused.


Another problem is when I post about this on vegan forums they all tell me not to do it.  When I post about this on paleo forums they all tell me to do it.  So it's like... how can I look at this from an unbiased angle?  Apparently, many "true" vegans feel it's wrong or selfish to put your health before ethics / morals.  So, how can I get past this?

Thanks

PS.  I consider myself a Christian (not super practicing, though).  Can a Christian do the paleo diet without feeling silly about it being based on evolution?  I guess I could believe in creationism through evolution (if we evolved from monkeys and God made monkeys then we would still be of God).  I know one way I could get around the ethics / moral thing is to tell myself the Bible says we can eat meat.
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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 01:11:57 PM »
Try reading The Vegetarian Myth; that should take care of your ethical concerns.  If you don't want to read the book sight unseen, start with this review:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipid-hypothesis/the-vegetarian-myth/

Personally, while I agree with Keith's view that agriculture is problematic because it destroys entire ecosystems, my take is even simpler:  most vegans kill more than do most carnivores to eat, as plants are also living things, and the food from one animal lasts a lot longer than that from one plant.  Drawing the line between, say, animals and plants is no different than drawing the line between humans and nonhumans; the only question is how different a living thing needs to be from yourself for you to be willing to kill it and eat it.

Given that, I think the best approach to ethics is to try to ensure the animals and plants have a good life while their alive.

As for evolution, it's entirely compatible with religion; even the Catholic church believes in evolution as one of God's ways of directing the world.  If you really don't want to take that approach, though, you can always just think of it as the "garden of Eden diet" instead of the "paleo diet".

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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 08:47:24 PM »
There is nothing in the Bible after Genesis 9:3 that contradicts being paleo or eating meat.   There are a lot of vegetarians and vegans using Bible passages to justify their position that eating meat is unethical.  One of the most misused passages are Daniel 1:3 to 1:16. The meaning of these passages are the opposite of what vegetarians claim.

Kent Rieske has a personal web site that promotes both Christ teachings and a low carb diet (although he is not paleo but is low carb)

http://biblelife.org

http://www.biblelife.org/lowcarb.htm

Michael Clarke Duncan who died yesterday after suffering a heart attack in July was a vegetarian.

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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2012, 08:48:44 PM »
I was a vegetarian for 7 years and vegan for the last year of that. I supposedly did it right too. I combined my beans with corn to get all my amino acids and focused every meal on protein and ate lots of veggies and fruits. The main thing that happened was massive depression which just got way worse when I went vegan. I was also low on energy, had sleep and anxiety problems and was a mess. Then I started reading about paleo and read The Mood Cure by Julia Ross, which covers how nutrition affects psychology - its basically a paleo book without saying so explicitly as it just covers the biochemical facts.

Anyway, its been about 2 years since I went paleo and there is no doubt in my mind that it is the right way to go for all human beings. So many of the problems I've dealt with all my life are much improved. I wouldn't even think of taking any psych drugs at this point because I just have no use for them. I'm also finally putting on muscle after killing myself in the gym for years and not seeing any results.

I've also had 2 blood panels over the last 2 years and both were good but the most recent one was pretty close to perfect. Anyway, that's my story. I thought I would feel guilt eating meat again but I just know its right and necessary so I don't feel guilty. I just buy as much pasture raised meat as possible from local farmers who do it the right way. Well, hope this helps.

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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2012, 07:51:39 AM »
I was a vegetarian for 7 years and vegan for the last year of that. I supposedly did it right too. I combined my beans with corn to get all my amino acids and focused every meal on protein and ate lots of veggies and fruits. The main thing that happened was massive depression which just got way worse when I went vegan. I was also low on energy, had sleep and anxiety problems and was a mess. Then I started reading about paleo and read The Mood Cure by Julia Ross, which covers how nutrition affects psychology - its basically a paleo book without saying so explicitly as it just covers the biochemical facts.


Same thing happened to me. I had lack of energy, weight gain, depression, mood swings. A friend suggested I get on Zoloft like he did. I almost lost my job.  The insidious thing about going vegan is you have a big energy boost the first few weeks and you feel great. But then the negative effects start setting in and you spend the next several years (or many years) trying to figure out where you went wrong and searching for how to get back to where you where the first couple of weeks.



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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2012, 12:16:58 AM »

The insidious thing about going vegan is you have a big energy boost the first few weeks and you feel great. But then the negative effects start setting in and you spend the next several years (or many years) trying to figure out where you went wrong and searching for how to get back to where you where the first couple of weeks.

I've read that in those first few weeks your body is effectively cannibalising itself due to the lack of good protein and fat in your diet - it feels good because you are eating the perfect food.

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Re: From Vegan to Blood Type O Paleo?
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2012, 08:10:43 AM »
Warren Dew - I've heard of the Vegetarian Myth.  I haven't got around to reading it yet as I'm still reading paleo books, haha.  I just finished reading The Paleo Answer by Dr. Cordain.  I like his version of paleo, especially since he's totally against dairy (since I'm already anti-dairy).  Actually, I'm still a little confused on why there's different versions of paleo (and what they are).  I'm also a little confused on the difference between paleo and primal.  My understanding so far is primal allows some forms of grass fed dairy (like butter) and is based around fattier cuts of meat.  Is that right?  Anyway, I really like the chapter on Vegetarianism and the chapter on auto-immune disorders.  I have psoriasis (pretty bad on my legs) and I've never heard of avoiding grains / legumes as a way to help auto-immune disorders, it makes sense though.  If I end up trying paleo I'll probably do it Dr. Cordain style.  And yes I know he's changed his stance on lean meat, allowing some fattier cuts as well.  Also, I thought Adam and Eve were vegan as there was no death in the Garden of Eden (The Genesis Diet is based on this, I think)... God didn't allow us to eat meat until after the flood (if I'm not mistaken).

Paleo Curmudgeon - Thanks for the info and links!

abstract (and Paleo Curmudgeon again) - Wow I am totally relating to what you guys went through.  I'm glad you mentioned that you thought you would feel guilty because I have the same feelings.  I feel like, from my years of vegan conditioning, that there's no excuse good enough to eat animals.  I hate that these thoughts keep trying to hold me back because the paleo diet makes so much sense to me.  I feel it would help me to lose weight (I'm 50 lbs overweight), gain energy (I have to rely on energy drinks all the time) and clear up my psoriasis.

el cogollero - I've read something similar to that, too.  Actually, veganism was awesome... in the first 6 months.  I felt great, lost weight and had lots of energy... in the first 6 months.  Now, after 4 1/2 years it's the total opposite.

My birthday is in one month.  I'm still trying to decide on what I'm going to do.