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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2010, 04:47:45 PM »
Ya, there was another article on neurology.org that seems to support it..
http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/62/2/275

But regardless of all that, I think I'm at a forum of mostly red meat eaters, so it seems any questions about fish are going to cause some strange looks.. Thanks anyways, though.


Well that begs the question as to why a forum of people dedicated to optimal nutrition are mostly red meat eaters.

You've gotta do what works for you, but be aware that "fish =  better cognitive performance" is not fact, and may well be completely untrue.  That said, I have no doubt there would have been Paleo populations who subsisted mostly on fish, at least for certain parts of the year.



I always find it interesting how immortality and longevity organizations always ignore caloric restriction, which is a proven mechanism for life extension.  I searched for it on the imminst.org site and only got two hits, both of which were peripheral mentions.

If you want to live a long time, you may want to look into caloric restriction and CRON (calorie restriction with optimal nutrition).

The 1 in 3 day fasted rats lived just as long as the calorie restricted rats, with a statistically insignificant amount of weight loss.

So if you want to live longer but not look like a stick figure, take every 3rd 24 hours off food.

Intermittent fasting is amazing.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2010, 04:56:50 PM by samjohn »
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2010, 04:50:24 PM »
The 1 in 3 day fasted rats lived just as long as the calorie restricted rats, with a statistically insignificant amount of weight loss.

So if you want to live longer but not look like a stick figure, take every 3rd 24 hours off food.

Intermittent fasting is amazing.

The problem with that is that one day to a rat is like two weeks to a human.  To really duplicate what those rats do, you'd have to fast for two weeks straight out of every six.  That's certainly possible, but it's farther than I'd want to go!

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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2010, 05:13:30 PM »
The 1 in 3 day fasted rats lived just as long as the calorie restricted rats, with a statistically insignificant amount of weight loss.

So if you want to live longer but not look like a stick figure, take every 3rd 24 hours off food.

Intermittent fasting is amazing.

The problem with that is that one day to a rat is like two weeks to a human.  To really duplicate what those rats do, you'd have to fast for two weeks straight out of every six.  That's certainly possible, but it's farther than I'd want to go!


Hmm I never thought about it like that but I'm not sure it works like that. The changes noted with regards to glucose and insulin action seemed to correlate (scaled of course) with what  has happened in similar human IF trials. Obviously they can't measure lifespan.
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2010, 06:58:32 PM »
Hmm I never thought about it like that but I'm not sure it works like that. The changes noted with regards to glucose and insulin action seemed to correlate (scaled of course) with what  has happened in similar human IF trials. Obviously they can't measure lifespan.

I'm kind of hoping someone will do a rat trial where they alternate periods of two hours of starvation and two or four hours of unlimited food.

Or better yet, a rat trial where they give the rats unlimited food for just ten minutes out of every two hours, to simulate the "one meal a day" method of paleo dieting.

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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2010, 12:24:03 PM »

I always find it interesting how immortality and longevity organizations always ignore caloric restriction, which is a proven mechanism for life extension.  I searched for it on the imminst.org site and only got two hits, both of which were peripheral mentions.


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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2010, 12:54:33 PM »
Omega 3 (n-3) fats do seem to be the main benefit of fish oil.  They seem to be able to help brain function if you start with a deficiency; there's evidence for example that a proper omega 3:6 ratio helps alleviate depression.  However, grass fed and finished beef is also a good source of omega 3s; it's the corn fed feedlot beef that's less satisfactory in this regard.

Well that probably makes sense. I've read about eating omege 3's can help deal with depression. But I was raised on ordinary grocery store beef and I have had moderate to severe depression for most of my life. If I could find a source of grass-fed beef I would give it a try.

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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2010, 12:56:03 PM »
I am a big follower of imminst.org.

I always find it interesting how immortality and longevity organizations always ignore caloric restriction, which is a proven mechanism for life extension.  I searched for it on the imminst.org site and only got two hits, both of which were peripheral mentions.

If you want to live a long time, you may want to look into caloric restriction and CRON (calorie restriction with optimal nutrition).

They discuss CR. You just have to know where to look for it:
http://www.imminst.org/forum/Calorie-Restriction-f237.html

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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2010, 08:10:44 AM »
i just read about the CRON diet quickly.

Being kinda flippant but 110 years on fish and soy... Think I might prefer to go sooner :)




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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2010, 03:55:46 PM »
I was the same way most of my life.  Believe it or not sashimi was the way in for me. Sashimi is sushi without the rice or seaweed - just the fish.  Start with tuna, salmon, and yellow fin.  They don't taste fishy.  Sushi rolls sometimes do because of the seaweed. Ngiri still have the rice under the fish. Stick with sashimi.


YES! Raw fish, salmon eggs and cold smoked salmon are like candy to me, the fattier the better. Miam miam.

Cooked fish? Ehh, not so much.
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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2010, 05:09:13 PM »
I was the same way most of my life.  Believe it or not sashimi was the way in for me. Sashimi is sushi without the rice or seaweed - just the fish.  Start with tuna, salmon, and yellow fin.  They don't taste fishy.  Sushi rolls sometimes do because of the seaweed. Ngiri still have the rice under the fish. Stick with sashimi.


I've been reading up on the paleo diet, and also the Japanese diet, for a few weeks now and I'm thinking I might want to make a switch. Even if I don't remove all the grains, I could at least remove the fatty meats, and eat more vegetables.

I was vegetarian for a few years as a teenager, but I never really took it seriously. I didn't eat meat but also didn't eat that many veggies either, so it was mostly a copout. Nowadays I don't eat anything that doesn't come out of a box and especially if it can't be eaten straight from the microwave.

I'd like to change that but I'd like to make it count, so it will be a slow process. One of the goals for me is to eat fish at least 2 or 3 times a week and start cutting out beans and bread. I've gotten rid of my morning cereal and replaced it with vegetable soup, however it's still just canned soup that includes beans and probably a high sodium level, although I haven't checked.

Now as for the fish, I've always hated fish as a kid. It was typical that when my family went to go out to a fancy restaurant that my mother would always exclude the seafood ones since I would refuse to eat it. I think it was just the horrible smell that set me off, but from what I understand the smell is actually caused by improper storage (i.e. the bacteria growing on it) and not from the fish itself.

So my question is, how can I break this aversion? I want to go with a slow gradual change. I was thinking I could start eating tuna on a semi-regular basis, which would only be temporary. After a month or so I could get used to the taste and incorporate other types of canned fish. After a few more months I might work my way up to eating a healthier variety from a market, and then at some point, say around this time next year I could learn how to cook fish.

Suggestions?

That's a great suggestion.  My wife is "vegetarian", cannot bring herself to eat meat.  Poor girl.  But at least I have her eating fish now, thanks to sushi.  Tuna, Yellowtail, Salmon all taste less "fishy" when fresh and raw, at least to me.

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Re: Greetings all. How do I break my aversion to fish?
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2010, 05:09:13 PM »