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Introduction for kgriffen
« on: July 06, 2010, 12:06:50 PM »
Just found this forum.  I am just getting back on the nutritional band wagon.  After a death in the family I went on a 6 month sugar binge.  Gained 17 lbs. in 6 months.  Starting at 206, my goal is 179 lbs.  I primary eat very low carb, mostly meat, eggs, cheese and oils.

I'm losing weight just fine, down to 192 in 6 weeks, but I am interested in the Paleo WOE as a long-term nutritional approach.
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2010, 12:34:00 PM »
Welcome aboard. Posting a food journal is the single best way to get advice here. What's your height? Male or female?

Also, what kind of oils do you include in the above? The only valid ones, from a paleo POV are coconut and olive oil. Tallow or lard are the preferred cooking fats.
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2010, 12:42:20 PM »
Quote from: kgriffen on July 06, 2010, 12:06:50 PM
I primary eat very low carb, mostly meat, eggs, cheese and oils.

Any special reason you are looking into paleo rather than just low carb?  I think there are a variety of reasons why paleo is better, but you will have to give up the cheese.
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2010, 01:34:53 PM »
Quote from: phrakture on July 06, 2010, 12:34:00 PM
Welcome aboard. Posting a food journal is the single best way to get advice here. What's your height? Male or female?

Also, what kind of oils do you include in the above? The only valid ones, from a paleo POV are coconut and olive oil. Tallow or lard are the preferred cooking fats.

I generally cook with bacon fat, sometimes olive oil or butter.  I don't really have a great source for tallow or lard yet, but I am just starting to look.

As far as a food journal, that's easy, I track everything using my iPhone and the LoseIt! application.  Yesterday was a bit unusual as I was forced to go to bakery for lunch and Chicken Caesar was THE only thing I could find to eat.  Normally my Chicken would be dark meat, bone in, skin on!

Breakfast:
   
Oil, Cod Liver, Carlson Super D
3 Teaspoons
   
Egg Yolks, ckd
4 Each
   
Butter, salted
1 Tablespoon

Lunch:   
Salad, Caesar, kit
3 Cups

Chicken, Breast, Boneless, Skinless - Foster Farms
1 Each
   
Dinner:
Beef, ground, hamburger patty, brld, 30% fat
8 Ounces
   
Snacks:
   
Vegatable Pakora
1.5 Pieces
   
Cheese, Paneer
1 Ounce
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2010, 01:38:12 PM »
Why just the egg yolks?
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2010, 01:41:52 PM »
Quote from: Warren Dew on July 06, 2010, 12:42:20 PM
Quote from: kgriffen on July 06, 2010, 12:06:50 PM
I primary eat very low carb, mostly meat, eggs, cheese and oils.

Any special reason you are looking into paleo rather than just low carb?  I think there are a variety of reasons why paleo is better, but you will have to give up the cheese.

Yes, unfortunately I love cheese, and also found that using heavy cream and butter is a way to keep my fat intake high enough without resorting to less "traditional" forms of food such as mixing tallow back into my ground beef.

I read Neaderthin many many years ago and find that it made the most sense to me.  I was diagnosed at age 10 with hypoglycemia, so I'm pretty sure I have a pretty high sensitivity to carbs.  Once I start on them, they are drug-like for me.  I have no problem eating handfuls of cookies and chocolate bars.  Conversely, when I am on a low-carb diet, I easily shed the fat.

Both times I have been near my goal weight I started to allow wheat and corn back into my diet.  Both times led me back to 205+ lbs.  (I am Male, 6'0").  My ideal weight seems to be around 175-180.  This time I am not letting the grains back in, but am searching for a manageable diet plan that would become a way of life.  Paleo seems to be the best answer I can find.
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2010, 01:48:19 PM »
Quote from: NEUROSPORT on July 06, 2010, 01:44:12 PM
cheese and butter are not paleo ...

I'll watch for the Paleo Police on my doorstep . . . .
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2010, 01:55:13 PM »
Please ignore Neurosport. He's a blemish on an otherwise decent forum. I have no idea why the guy is still around. He should have been banned long ago.

Regarding dairy - I noticed that any weight loss I had would come to a screeching halt with dairy. Still, harder cheeses and butter have the least amount of lactose, and there is evidence that they were eaten before liquid milk was consumed. While cheese and butter are not paleo, at least we're not talking liquid, lactose laden dairy.

Still, maybe trying a 2 week dairy removal might be a worthwhile test if your weight loss decides to stall
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM »
Quote from: phrakture on July 06, 2010, 01:55:13 PM
Please ignore Neurosport. He's a blemish on an otherwise decent forum. I have no idea why the guy is still around. He should have been banned long ago.

Regarding dairy - I noticed that any weight loss I had would come to a screeching halt with dairy. Still, harder cheeses and butter have the least amount of lactose, and there is evidence that they were eaten before liquid milk was consumed. While cheese and butter are not paleo, at least we're not talking liquid, lactose laden dairy.

Still, maybe trying a 2 week dairy removal might be a worthwhile test if your weight loss decides to stall

I'm curious as to why dairy is not considered Paleo, but I'm not opposed to eliminating it.  That being said, I'm not going to eliminate something I like and seems to cause me no issues just to keep a label.  I probably should eliminate it for a bit, its easy to do as my diet is not extremely varied at this time.
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2010, 02:35:19 PM »
Quote from: kgriffen on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: phrakture on July 06, 2010, 01:55:13 PM
Please ignore Neurosport. He's a blemish on an otherwise decent forum. I have no idea why the guy is still around. He should have been banned long ago.

Regarding dairy - I noticed that any weight loss I had would come to a screeching halt with dairy. Still, harder cheeses and butter have the least amount of lactose, and there is evidence that they were eaten before liquid milk was consumed. While cheese and butter are not paleo, at least we're not talking liquid, lactose laden dairy.

Still, maybe trying a 2 week dairy removal might be a worthwhile test if your weight loss decides to stall

I'm curious as to why dairy is not considered Paleo, but I'm not opposed to eliminating it.  That being said, I'm not going to eliminate something I like and seems to cause me no issues just to keep a label.  I probably should eliminate it for a bit, its easy to do as my diet is not extremely varied at this time.

I'm new here too, but I'm assuming this is a longstanding issue here.  It's not Paleo b/c it's not something Paleo man ate.

However, we are all born consuming dairy and one could argue that those of us that are blessed with continued lactase production (lactose tolerant) have evolved to consume dairy (and may owe it to our very existence).  It's kind of a weak argument.  The last I read was that lactose tolerance only became prevalent in the races where it is maybe 1000 years ago.

All that said, modern dairy is a disaster for you.  If you want to consume dairy try to find grass-fed, raw, unpasteurized products (very difficult where I live).  Otherwise, I'd strongly consider cutting it out (as I'm am trying to do).
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2010, 02:43:26 PM »
Quote from: kgriffen on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
I'm curious as to why dairy is not considered Paleo, but I'm not opposed to eliminating it.  That being said, I'm not going to eliminate something I like and seems to cause me no issues just to keep a label.  I probably should eliminate it for a bit, its easy to do as my diet is not extremely varied at this time.

Herding is just as old as agriculture, and both techniques were created in the neolithic era. To put it simpler and more crass: dairy farming is still farming.

More biological - something like 75% of people are lactose intolerant to various degrees (ever have to use the bathroom violently after drinking a big glass of milk on an empty stomach?). There is actually a period in time when EVERYONE was lactose intolerant. Eventually, genetic mutations made some people able to consume dairy, and the kids ended up healthier. The rest was up to natural selection.

There is proof that, due to lactose amounts, butter and cheese were consumed well before liquid milk. But again, none of this was consumed until the neolithic era.

(I am looking for some articles now...)
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2010, 03:09:04 PM »
I'm not strictly opposed to eating dairy. Usually I go for Kerry Gold butter and cheese, and I'll choose raw grass fed milk if I fell off the wagon and need something to ease the carb withdrawals.

I know that I have an upper limit of tolerance for dairy, and so it's by no means a staple. Just a special treat once in a while.
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2010, 03:31:18 PM »
Quote from: NEUROSPORT on July 06, 2010, 02:52:20 PM
Quote from: phrakture on July 06, 2010, 01:55:13 PM
Please ignore Neurosport. He's a blemish on an otherwise decent forum. I have no idea why the guy is still around. He should have been banned long ago.

Regarding dairy - I noticed that any weight loss I had would come to a screeching halt with dairy. Still, harder cheeses and butter have the least amount of lactose, and there is evidence that they were eaten before liquid milk was consumed. While cheese and butter are not paleo, at least we're not talking liquid, lactose laden dairy.

Still, maybe trying a 2 week dairy removal might be a worthwhile test if your weight loss decides to stall

lactose is one problem addiction in another.  the reason cheese is so heavily used in fast food industry is the same reason why they use sugar and caffeine - to cause the customers to become addicted.

it makes sense that milk products should cause addiction.  sex causes addiction after all.  and we as a species depended on breast feeding for survival as much as we depended on sex.  think of what would happen if babies refused to have breast milk.

there is more to milk than lactose.  ice cream is NOTORIOUS as a comfort food that pregnant and depressed women binge on - why ?  are there no other foods that are sweet and/or fatty ?  

ice cream is essentially sweet cheese.  i actually used to binge on cheese with honey.  i would microwave cheese until it was molten, pour honey over it and eat it just like that - without bread or anything else.  TO DIE FOR.

ps: i'm out for a ride on my bike.

Okay dude...I've only been here a day and I can tell your the eccentric one of the forum.  Real ice cream is not made from milk it's made from heavy cream. It generally has only a little lactose.  Way more people can eat ice cream than milk. If you made ice cream without sugar added I doubt many people (except low carbers) would buy it. However, I just looked at my dad's ice cream and the ingredients were 1) low fat milk; 2) HFCS.  Wow, what a time in which we live.

But your honey and cheese thing does sound pretty good.
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2010, 04:33:15 PM »
Quote from: crazy150 on July 06, 2010, 03:31:18 PM
If you made ice cream without sugar added I doubt many people (except low carbers) would buy it.

Ice cream without sugar? That's sounds like something I'd like to try! And it probably would taste sweet to those of us who have been without sugar for a while. And I tend to appreciate the subtly sweet over blatantly sweet.

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However, I just looked at my dad's ice cream and the ingredients were 1) low fat milk; 2) HFCS.  Wow, what a time in which we live.

I once stupidly tried "sugar-free" ice cream, which was made with splenda and skim milk. (I think it's a scam that they can call splenda-tainted foods sugar-free.) It didn't taste right, afterward I had a headache and later, very bad gas. Never again.
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Re: Introduction for kgriffen
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2010, 04:50:24 PM »
Quote from: kgriffen on July 06, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
I'm curious as to why dairy is not considered Paleo, but I'm not opposed to eliminating it.

Back in the paleolithic - the old stone age - we didn't milk aurochs; we killed them and ate them.  Herding and dairying weren't practiced until the neolithic - the new stone age, starting around 10,000 years ago - when agriculture also started.

There have been a few gross mutations during the neolithic, and they include lactase persistence in some people to help digest milk sugar, as well as multiple copies of the amylase gene in some people, to help digest the starches in grains.  However, one mutation is far from a complete adaptation to a food - the proteins in cow's milk, which are unlike human milk proteins, cause problems just as the proteins in grains do.  In contrast, the 2,000,000 years of the paleolithic was enough time for a more complete adaptation to the foods we ate back then.

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That being said, I'm not going to eliminate something I like and seems to cause me no issues just to keep a label.  I probably should eliminate it for a bit, its easy to do as my diet is not extremely varied at this time.

Going without dairy for a month or two might be a good approach.  That said, some people do find that the paleo diet is too strict and not for them.
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