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« on: June 28, 2010, 08:54:46 AM »
new member/ 21 year veteran of paleo.

i grew up on cereal and milk every day. by high school i was eating cereal and milk 2-3x a day.

i pretty much continues that through college but wasn't diet conscious then, eating cereal, milk soda, meat, salads, fruit or whatever i fancied. i peaked physically at the age of 20 where i was running and lifting weights and in the best shape of my life.

at 21 i came down with cfs, squeaked through school somehow without going to classes. this was before cfs had a name.

i recovered half my energy back over the next two years, was on synthroid for a few months feeling great and then boom at 23 life as i knew it ended.

the first help i had was finding a paleo doctor who got me out of bed, but this didnt cure me by any means. i was craving ice cream all the time and had to indulge in order to not be constipated.

i've been sort of paleo for the last 21 years, the last 2 years i went off the wagon so to speak, but what is the wagon exactly, since i'm feeling a lot better not being on the wagon.

i tried some vegetarian experiments these past 2 years, the first time causing a kidney stone and bronchitis. second time caused a kidney stone as well. but i have to be logical and look at those as cleansing reactions since kidney stones don't form so fast. i have suffered from lower back pain for 4 years now which is associated with kidney problems, but i am not sure what the cause is.

3 or 4 years ago i started getting fat for the first time in my life. now i have to severely cut down on protein in order not to get fat. i started getting ripped abs for the first time in my life by going off all animal proteins. in my 20's i could do hundreds and hundreds of situps but never got ripped.  i can never last as  a vegetarian because i get too weak.

i did the aajonous program for 2 years, but it was too strict.


trying to find a new paradigm...

maybe it's a fruit/vegetable heavy version of paleo.

i need a lot of fats to regulate my bowel movements or else i'm constipated.

i would drink no water at all if i didnt have salt because i have almost zero thirst.

this is the condensed intro because i don't want to write a novel on my first visit here.


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Re: new and yet old
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2010, 04:10:41 PM »
the first help i had was finding a paleo doctor who got me out of bed, but this didnt cure me by any means. i was craving ice cream all the time and had to indulge in order to not be constipated.

i've been sort of paleo for the last 21 years, the last 2 years i went off the wagon so to speak, but what is the wagon exactly, since i'm feeling a lot better not being on the wagon. 

Welcome, I hope you can find help here. I know of at least one person here with cfs. They probably have some good advice.

Could you elaborate on this paleo diet you were on for 21 years? What were the macro-nutrient ratios (fat, protein, carbohydrates) in it?
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Re: new and yet old
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2010, 09:59:46 PM »
i never really counted macronutrients. the original diet recommended to me was hunter gatherer very close to the cordain diet. anything from an animal, water, non-sweet fruits, no dairy, no or limited nuts, no grains.

i went cold turkey off of grains and dairy and pretty much lived on rib-eye steaks for a long time. unfortunately i was having these hard stools get stuck in my intestines and i think that was where ice cream cravings came from. so for the  first years i wasn't able to go 100 percent on the diet. i would sometimes switch over to double cream instead of ice cream because i didnt like sugar or milk.
the main issue for me is getting stuff out of me, not putting things in. going off the grain and milk has been a ridiculous detox that is still going on 20 years later.

i would also have chicken liver, salmon, duck, chicken, pork, soups, berries, grapefruit, salads, veggies.

initially i experienced what is very common here, increase in energy and a better physique. the increase in energy was never like a full recovery or normal energy levels.  but these past few years my chemistry has changed so much that i went the reverse direction and began trying vegetarianism. the main reasons were that animal protein was making me overweight and also i would crash after eating meats. the saturated fats are fine, it is mainly the protein that gives me problems. i know i never stayed 100 percent  paleo, but i have gone long periods of time near 100 percent, and i would always wind up in the same place, so i just went with what made me feel best. i have never been able to stay fully in ketosis and burn fat as fuel, or maybe i have been in ketosis but just felt lousy. some people seem to be able to mae the switch and get an energy increase from this, but i think that i am only able to burn sugars for fuel.

after about 6 years on the diet i began passing all sorts of worms, little blood worms, ascaris, and all these other species. i think they were buried deep inside all the impactions that had been cleaned out by the diet.


many years after that i read aajonus' book and he was really the only person that i had met that keyed in to what was happening, basically endless cleansing. i got on the raw butter lube formula, green juices, and it basically sped up what was already happening. i was just detoxing all day every day, and barely able to keep up with it. worms, heavy metals, intestinal impactions. finally i just stopped and looked for some other avenues after that.  after a while on his diet i didnt notice a big difference between raw meat and cooked.  and i think  too much ( or any) of the dairy was just not feeling right,

i got into doing saunas for the metal detox instead of trying to run everything through the internal organs. best move i ever made. aajonus' idiotic response to this was something like: you don't want to create toxic vitamin d with those saunas. but meanwhile the saunas were correcting the heavy metal problems, my iq went up about 100 points, my endocrine system started working, after 15 years my nervous system started to calm down and feel good, etc etc. so obviously this guy likes to build houses with only one tool.

it wasn't until many years later that i learned about jan kwasniewski, the fat ratios he recommended were pretty much perfect, as i realized i was often eating protein only to get the fats. i have since  been playing around with the kwasniewski diet. part of my body seems to love it, but another part of me just cannot stay with it. my intestines run almost perfectly on his diet, but after a few days i just get sick of all the fats, i feel like i have animal fat coming out of my pores. plus the mainstays for fat on his diet are dairy and pork, neither of which are really great for me. what bothers me is that i feel somewhere that the high fat thing really could cure my ails, but my body just rejects it after a period of time and i am unable to force myself to stay with it.

i like to read all sides of stories, so i've been reading the vegetarian authors for the past few years. andreas moritz has some interesting things to say about liver flushes, excess protein and clogging up channels. i have to admit that his information has also bore fruit for me by losing a lot of weight going off the animal protein. what is interesting is in the very beginning if i went without red meat for 2 days i would just turn into jello. i used to eat 2 large rib-eyes a day. now two decades later, it is the exact opposite, i turn into homer simpson eating the rib-eyes and get all ripped eating carbs. i remember something one of my vegetarian healer friends told me many years ago, that you need to eat a lot of meat if your body is breaking down very fast.

the best thing i have found to do now is cycle through a week or two as vegetarian then i will have a few days of kwasniewski-esque paleo to recharge and then bail before i get too fat, then repeat.

things that are not resolved now on either diet is lower colon distension, back pain, arthritis, gall bladder stasis.  if i could get my gall bladder working that would be the jackpot and i think i'd have full energy back.








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Re: new and yet old
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 10:37:58 PM »
With respect to the stool I have found that on a high meat diet stool softness is closely correlated with water intake.

Aside from fatty meat, a good way of getting palatable fat is frying onions or mushrooms in it.  Nuts are also a reasonable source.

Did you ever get rid of the worms?  There is a gall bladder flush that I've found to work but you should be parasite free first.

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Re: new and yet old
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 10:37:58 PM »