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Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« on: June 14, 2010, 06:48:00 AM »
 :) Hi everyone!

My names Khrystyna and I've been adopting the paleo principles into my diet for the last few months, prior to this I had been a vegetarian and largely a vegan for over a decade before so as you can imagine the change over has been extremely difficult. I decided to give it a go after seeing how well it has helped other people witht their IBS which has plagued me for over 4 year now. I'm happy to say I've been pain free since I began paleo though which is nothing short of a christmas miracle! I  used to have cramps 5-7 days a week. I feel better than ever, it really is incredible and I'm so happy now! I feel like I have been given my life back and I just don't have to worry about it anymore  ;D
So hopefully all of you are gonna be able to help me on my way, I need lots of recipes ideas which hopefully I'll find here, I am clueless about cooking meat I'm so terrified of poisoning myself!  ::)
So I started a blog yesterday to chronical my experience, hopefully it'll help me, I'd love it if some of you would visit, god knows I need the ratings!  ;)

http://foodfloraandfelines.blogspot.com/

If anyone has any cook books they could reccomend it'd be great! I'd also love to hear from any other ex-veggies who have made the change.
Thanks guys
Kay xx
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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2010, 07:34:11 AM »
This should get you started.

Online recipe book

http://www.paleofood.com/
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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2010, 07:50:30 AM »
Welcome.

The key to safely cooking meat is to remember the following:

Pork and chicken - should be cooked through, so it's no longer even pink in the middle, to protect against parasites.

Beef - can be raw on the inside, as long as all surfaces are cooked to kill surface bacteria.  Note that ground beef is basically all "surface", so ground beef should generally be cooked through.

The key to cooking tasty steaks and chops is to preheat the cooking surface before putting the meat in.

I recommend the classic version of The Joy of Cooking for various recipes, especially on roasting meat.  You may have to vary some of them to make them paleo - for example leaving off the bread crumbs from pork roasts.  Don't get the "new" version.

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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2010, 08:47:44 AM »
Welcome.

The key to safely cooking meat is to remember the following:

Pork and chicken - should be cooked through, so it's no longer even pink in the middle, to protect against parasites.


For many people, this usually means "don't eat pork" as domestic (and even grassfed domestics) are too lean to taste good for most palates. I've been eating medium-rare pork for at least 10 years now, grocery, grassfed, and those I've killed myself. Wild pig (feral hog, not boar) have a much darker, richer meat than grass/pastured pork, and pastured pork is darker/richer than domestic "grocery store" pork. For me, domestic Grocery pork "steak" cuts are unpalatable unless cooked to medium rare, or brined (not particularly paleo). I don't think there has been a case of trichinosis in the us/uk for decades.

I hear you on the chicken though. 
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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2010, 09:51:08 AM »
What is the culinary difference between feral hog and wild boar (and hybrids of the two).

How safe are each to eat? All the sources I've found don't seem to speak highly of them as a meat, in fact, they were portrayed as being riddled with nasty, communicable diseases.
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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2010, 10:04:59 AM »
What is the culinary difference between feral hog and wild boar (and hybrids of the two).

How safe are each to eat? All the sources I've found don't seem to speak highly of them as a meat, in fact, they were portrayed as being riddled with nasty, communicable diseases.
Culinarily, I'm not sure. I've never eaten boar but I've had plenty of Florida feral hog (thanks to Spain planting them here in the 1500's as a future food source).

Boars were brought over much more recently (approximately 100 years or so ago and more so in New England) later to hunt for sport.

Boar (notice the thin head and flat nasal cavity as well as tusks on the side of the snout:



Feral Hog (pretty much a lean dark-fur piggie): 



The two can interbreed, making this distinction more difficult. You also get occasional farm strays that introduce bigger, more disease-resistant animals to the gene pool. This is where the Georgia "Hogzilla" rumors originate from.

Miles away from technology, I have a hard time thinking the meat is diseased... here in florida wilds they eat snakes, bugs, eggs, grass, roots, and acorns.  They are also listed as a nuisance animal because they breed and eat like, well, pigs... destroying the environment for other animals such as deer and otters. The only predators they deal with (besides me) are coyote and alligators. Wild pig in the fall is much more gamey due to the acorn feeding... and that meat usually ends up in the smoker.

I will say this. Most of the anti-pork/unclean crusades come from a cultural/religious standpoint. Pork, traditionally, was fed garbage... i.e. "slop", even in early agricultural times. The animal was declared "unclean" because (I'm guessing) pigs do not discriminate in their food sources, and are perfectly at home living in muddy bogs.
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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2010, 10:19:40 AM »
Sorry for the hijack, Khrystina

Welcome to the Paleo Fold...
Diets fail because society as a whole believes body image is more important than health. The problem is that obesity is simply one of many symptoms of an illness, not the illness itself.

And I'm being cured.

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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2010, 04:50:38 PM »
The sad thing is pigs are actually quite fastidious about their environment when given the chance. They like clean and tidy.
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2010, 05:17:28 PM »
Wow, I went on your blog, Ireland looks absolutely beautiful!! I was just wondering, what do they teach you guys in ''nutritional science'' in university?

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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2010, 12:47:55 PM »
Lol no worries I'm usually the one who does the hijacking!  ;)
Yes my pork bubble was sadly burst by my mum today who informed me that even here in Ireland pigs are raised in doors! I was under the naive impression they wandered the fields like our sheep and cattle because the only time I ever set foot on a pig farm it happened to be free range  ::) I know it's not really paleo but I'm finding it hard to get used to the whole eating meat thing but I always enjoyed sausages and rashers for their flavour!
Thanks for the cooking tips, they're great! I've always been an avid veggie cook, I'm amazed by how much I don't know when it comes to using animals, I'm looking forward to learning. I'm planning my first ever trip to a butchers on thursday too to try find local meat.
Ireland is lovely, I'm getting a new camera soon so I'll put more pictures up soon. Yes in County Cork my university teaches a four year nutritional science degree and then if you want to you can do any extra year and a half to become a registered dietician.
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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 12:58:19 PM »
Oh sorry, just realised I misread your question about my course, well it's very science based as it lots of biochemistry and microbiology that doesn't really seem all that relevent. We do lots of stats and epidemiology too. We actually did very little clinical nutrition, our nutrition modules were more about gearing us up to be researchers so we tackled a lot of the more controversial modern issues and covered them from all angles and we covered a lot of the more relevent issues for the food industry like functional foods and all that. Overall it trained me more how to think and how to interpret the data and draw objective conclusions more than anything. It didn't train me to work with people or as a therapist at all!
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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 01:05:58 PM »
For many people, this usually means "don't eat pork" as domestic (and even grassfed domestics) are too lean to taste good for most palates. I've been eating medium-rare pork for at least 10 years now, grocery, grassfed, and those I've killed myself. Wild pig (feral hog, not boar) have a much darker, richer meat than grass/pastured pork, and pastured pork is darker/richer than domestic "grocery store" pork. For me, domestic Grocery pork "steak" cuts are unpalatable unless cooked to medium rare, or brined (not particularly paleo). I don't think there has been a case of trichinosis in the us/uk for decades.

I'll be the first to admit that less well done pork tastes better.  I've eaten some that was about medium because I undercooked it, and yes, it's way juicier - better than medium beef.

That said, I've found that a pork loin with enough fat, roasted until the meat thermometer reads 170F and not a degree more, is still pretty juicy and flavorful.  It dries out pretty fast after that, though.

And that's another cooking tip, I guess.  If you cook roasts, get a meat thermometer.  Don't just guess from the timings, as each roast is different.

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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2010, 01:07:11 PM »
Oh sorry, just realised I misread your question about my course, well it's very science based as it lots of biochemistry and microbiology that doesn't really seem all that relevent. We do lots of stats and epidemiology too. We actually did very little clinical nutrition, our nutrition modules were more about gearing us up to be researchers so we tackled a lot of the more controversial modern issues and covered them from all angles and we covered a lot of the more relevent issues for the food industry like functional foods and all that. Overall it trained me more how to think and how to interpret the data and draw objective conclusions more than anything. It didn't train me to work with people or as a therapist at all!

I'm impressed.  It sounds like they gave you the tools to think for yourself rather than force feeding you the accepted wisdom.

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Re: Newbie (was a long term vegetarian!)
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2010, 01:34:13 PM »
Yes it was only towards the very end that I realised that's what they were trying to do, rather than teaching us principles of what they thought was good nutrition they gave us the tools to form our own conclusions using the research available. I'm glad to have such a strong background in the fundamentals like toxicology and biochemistry because it makes my teaching myself so much easier and rather than just taking other peoples opinions on nutrition on board I can now formulate my own. It bugged me initially that I wasn't learning about things like wheatgrass and bee pollen but I know better now  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2010, 01:36:46 PM »
Sorry can I ask is it possible to get email notification of new posts on threads your subsrcibed to? I'm still figuring out the ropes of this place! Have to say I'm very excited about this forum, great buzz around and so many interesting discussions it's like christmas day for me  ;D
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