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Offline The Natural

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« on: June 14, 2010, 11:02:40 AM »
Hello all. I am brand spankin' new to the way of the caveman and I'm in the process of transitioning to the diet, which basically means I'm trying to eat all of the crap left in the fridge first. I've already noticed a huge difference on days that I don't eat any potatoes or grains in that when 2:30pm comes around, I'm not crashing.

What I like most about the diet so far is that people who follow it tend to be really interested in the science behind it, rather than just blind sheep following a guru. I'm really interested in the role of fermented foods in the paleo diet and whether or not they have a place at all.
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Offline gnujoshua

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Re: Supernewb
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2010, 11:15:20 AM »
Welcome!

Fermented foods you can take or leave. On a SAD diet, I ate fermented foods to help stave off intestinal irregularities, i.e. yoghurt, probiotics, kefir.

One of the biggest problems is that most of your standard fermented fare is not paleo to begin with, i.e. alcohol and dairy.

I do have an occasional Kombucha tea, maybe 1-2 monthly. These usually have a strong reaction in my gut within about 2 hours, not really unpleasant they just seem to knock me off my regularly scheduled programming if you get my drift.

I will also eat raw sauerkraut with homemade sausages from time-to-time. This is how I get to enjoy family cookouts. Similar, but less pronounced results than the kombucha. Sauerkraut is made with very high amounts of salt, however, so if being strictly paleo is your goal than sauerkraut is not a good food for you.
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Re: Supernewb
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2010, 02:19:40 PM »
Quote from: The Natural on June 14, 2010, 11:02:40 AM
I'm really interested in the role of fermented foods in the paleo diet and whether or not they have a place at all.

It's an interesting question. I'm on the side of fermented foods being good, and here's why: other fruit eating animals will eat fruit that has fallen off a tree and sat there for days. I mentioned in another thread that moose in Alaska are known to eat fermenting apples and get drunk.

I also think that consuming bacteria is a good thing. In "the wild" we would not have all the clean food preparation that we do now and would consume much more bacteria. Even doctors have been known to say that we're less hardy than we could be. In fact, there was a study somewhere that contained the words "Humans should consume more feces" - claiming that we're becoming so sanitary that the simplest things can cause very poor effects
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Re: Supernewb
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2010, 02:43:46 PM »
Fermented foods I consume from time to time:

Fermented Vinegars (real vinegars: coconut vinegar, sugarcane vinegar)
Philippine Bagoong (small shrimp)
Korean Kimchi (vegetables)
Home Made High Meat (beef cubes bottled and aired daily for 1 month in the refrigerator)

For me, fermented foods = probiotics
If your condition calls for fermented foods, then you will benefit greatly.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2010, 02:58:18 PM by goodsamaritan »
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Re: Supernewb
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2010, 04:46:44 PM »
What are some examples of paleo friendly fermented food?
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Re: Supernewb
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2010, 08:27:17 AM »
Quote from: samjohn on June 14, 2010, 04:46:44 PM
What are some examples of paleo friendly fermented food?

Kimchi, kombucha, sauerkraut, some pickled veggies, salami, pepperoni

While no 100% paleo, they're close enough for me (though I'm not a big kimchi fan)
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Re: Supernewb
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 06:34:51 PM »
Welcome.

Quote from: The Natural on June 14, 2010, 11:02:40 AM
I'm really interested in the role of fermented foods in the paleo diet and whether or not they have a place at all.

I'm not sure if there's much point, since the only fermented foods that might possibly be paleo would be the ones which are paleo when unfermented.  I do agree with phrakture that if your cantaloupe becomes a little alcoholic, that doesn't mean you have to throw it out.
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