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Re: Example of healthy tribes
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2009, 09:35:46 PM »
Quote from: samjohn on October 20, 2009, 08:41:59 PM
So this wikipedia article is mostly wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone



Yes, I would say it is wrong because of the claim that Centenarians eat a plant based diet.

The number of Centenarians in the Sardinia population is nearly as high as Okinawa.  But the dietary habits are not the same.  "In stark contrast to Okinawans, the residents of Ovodda, [Sardinia] don't count calories and meat is very firmly on the menu, while tofu and soya are not.

But this small town of just over 1,700 residents boasts five centenarians and, even more remarkably, as many men live to 100 as women."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7250675.stm
 

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« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2009, 12:05:22 PM »
I was researching chestnuts and I think I tripped over something relevant.

Sardinians' staple food are chestnuts, since wheat doesn't grow well in the mountains. Sardinians who stay with the traditional diet could expect better health than the people who lived in the valley, or eat mostly imported food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chestnut#Europe
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« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2009, 02:03:52 PM »
Nothing grows too well in those mountains. Sicily has the same problem, that's why Sicilian's diet has a higher base on animal products than the rest of Italy. These type of culture have been studied (crap, I forgot the name, where crops cannot be grown easily and cattle farming takes over) and it suggests that societies in those places have higher tendency of aggressiveness, based on the fact that cattle can be stolen while crops cannot, so the owner must be "ballsy" from the beginning so that he gains a good reputation and people don't steal his cattle. That's one of the reasons why Sicily is popular for well... mafias.

The same happened in US in the settlements around the Appalachian mountains (cattle raising), killings and massacres between families were fairly common because of this.

That's off topic, but the main point is that they cannot really grow that much produce...
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Re: Example of healthy tribes
« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2009, 05:24:31 PM »
Quote from: ajmesa on October 21, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
Nothing grows too well in those mountains. Sicily has the same problem, that's why Sicilian's diet has a higher base on animal products than the rest of Italy. These type of culture have been studied (crap, I forgot the name, where crops cannot be grown easily and cattle farming takes over)

Pastoral?
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« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2009, 11:47:40 PM »
Quote from: ajmesa on October 21, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
The same happened in US in the settlements around the Appalachian mountains (cattle raising), killings and massacres between families were fairly common because of this.

Don't forget Scottish highlanders!
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Re: Example of healthy tribes
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2009, 07:20:26 AM »
Quote from: Warren Dew on October 21, 2009, 11:47:40 PM
Quote from: ajmesa on October 21, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
The same happened in US in the settlements around the Appalachian mountains (cattle raising), killings and massacres between families were fairly common because of this.

Don't forget Scottish highlanders!

Ahh, the Scottish highlands, where men are men and the sheep are terrified.

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(hey my ancestors were from Scotland, I'm allowed to make fun of them)
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« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2009, 06:16:51 AM »
Just found this today on the longevity of the Inuit:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/inuit-lessons-from-arctic.html

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I published a post on the lifespan of traditionally-living Inuit a few weeks ago. About 25% of them made it past 60, and a significant number made it past 90. I'd say that's pretty good for a hunter-gatherer culture living in the arctic without any modern medicine (as a side note, the data were collected after they had been exposed to European diseases, thus may have actually underestimated their natural lifespan).

Here's his original blog posting he is referring to, I think:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/mortality-and-lifespan-of-inuit.html

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Excluding infant mortality, about 25% of their population lived past 60.
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Re: Example of healthy tribes
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2009, 11:09:43 AM »
Quote from: marika on November 06, 2009, 06:16:51 AM
Just found this today on the longevity of the Inuit:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/inuit-lessons-from-arctic.html

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I published a post on the lifespan of traditionally-living Inuit a few weeks ago. About 25% of them made it past 60, and a significant number made it past 90. I'd say that's pretty good for a hunter-gatherer culture living in the arctic without any modern medicine (as a side note, the data were collected after they had been exposed to European diseases, thus may have actually underestimated their natural lifespan).

Here's his original blog posting he is referring to, I think:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/mortality-and-lifespan-of-inuit.html

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Excluding infant mortality, about 25% of their population lived past 60.
This is very good. Marika, thanks for the data. +1
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