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Is Free The Animal wrong?
« on: January 21, 2010, 05:13:42 AM »
So, came across this this post today which is a recipe for "Chicken, Mashed Potatoes & Gravy".

Now, I just want to clarify something from the post:
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Paleo is real foods only (unrestricted meat, natural fat, veggies / roots / tubers; moderate nuts and fruit in-season).

Am I right in thinking that this guy, who is obviously advocating the paleo diet, has it all wrong? Looking at his ingredients for the mash he's using potatoes (eh?), cream (eh?!) and butter (what?!?!).

Now, I know some people take it at their own level. I, for instance, still have milk & cheese occasionally. But I would't dream of eating any Grains/Beans/Potatoes - which from this document I understand is the whole basis of the paleo diet.

I feel the fellow might be doing more harm than good with his readers who are new to the diet.

Or am I the one who doesn't understand the paleo diet?
Paleo, with occasional dairy.

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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 05:28:45 AM »
Or am I the one who doesn't understand the paleo diet?

You are right and he is wrong.

Paleo does not include potato or dairy.
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 08:55:55 AM »
Or am I the one who doesn't understand the paleo diet?

You are right and he is wrong.

Paleo does not include potato or dairy.

Richard tends to follow the "Primal" diet (Mark Sisson), which is similar, but not the same as the "Paleo" diet (Loren Cordain). The diets are largely similar but diverge on a few key points. I like to think of it as... the paleo diet is what cavemen ate, the primal diet is what pre-agriculture humans ate (i.e. native americans, inuit, masai). There's a decent chunk of years in between the two.

Full disclosure: I tend to side more with the Primal diet than the Paleo one.



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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 10:04:31 AM »
Cream and butter are dairy, and thus clearly nonpaleo.  However, some feel that small amounts are less bad than other forms of dairy because they are still animal fats and don't include the sugars and potentially allergenic proteins that milk does.  I don't think anyone would claim they are strictly paleo, but some consider them among the less harmful cheats.

Potatoes are questionable in a couple of respects.  First, they are a tuber - an underground plant reproductive organ - and there's an argument that unlike fruit, plants have evolutionary reasons to make such organs strongly deleterious to animals when eaten.  The evidence that humans ate any tubers during the paleolithic is also limited and equivocal.  Second, they are a new world plant, and thus from a group of plants that would not have been available to paleolithic humans; some feel they are not sufficiently closely related to plants we did eat during the paleolithic to be considered paleo.  However, some people do consider potatoes to be paleo, since neither of these arguments is black and white.

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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 08:25:51 AM »
If you have a small serving of potatoes like every other week... i don't think it would make that much of a difference...

Think about it... you're not considering a potatoe a cheat meal :d   a lot better than pizza and beer... lol.

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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 08:40:54 AM »
Think about it... you're not considering a potatoe a cheat meal :d   a lot better than pizza and beer... lol.

Personally I would definitely consider potatoes to be a cheat meal.  It's pretty much pure carbohydrate, like a candy bar or a slice of pizza without the healthy toppings.

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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 09:59:57 AM »
I agree. Especially if you don't eat the potato peel, they are just carbs and super high glycemic index.

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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 04:12:39 PM »
I agree. Especially if you don't eat the potato peel, they are just carbs and super high glycemic index.

And the peel is where the poison is isn't it?
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 04:38:09 PM »
Ah yes, that's true, in the case of green potatoes.

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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2010, 02:25:54 AM »
potato skins are the part where the vitamins are for the most part.

I may regret potatoes.... although they were usually an excuse for eating butter :)




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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 04:31:53 AM »
I think butter is less of a cheat, so just eat that and skip the potato :-)
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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2010, 09:46:27 AM »
In Cordain's study of hunter gatherers living today he did find multiple eating tubers. Here is the link to his research paper:

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/AJCN%20PDF.pdf

Now, potatoes... I would rather go for sweet potato, taro, etc.

If you feel better without them, why eat them? Is a personal thing, you would have to try it out for yourself.
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Re: Is Free The Animal wrong?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2010, 09:46:27 AM »