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Offline Eric

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VA tech shootings and gun control
« on: April 16, 2007, 09:06:36 PM »
I hear two sides screaming now

The people saying if we wouldnt make carrying weapons illegal people could actually defend themselves

and then the other camp saying guns are evil lets make them more illegal!

Whats everyone's take?  It was horrible news today and i knew someone who was there hiding while the gunmen were killing people

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Re: VA tech shootings and gun control
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 09:37:02 PM »
It's such a sticky issue.  If students had been allowed to carry concealed weapons, the gunman could have been taken down relatively quickly.  But the potential for this to go wrong is really high.  Like, what if person A took the gunman down, but then person B runs in on the chaotic scene and sees person A with a gun and lots of dead people - person B then shoots person A, assuming A is the killer.  Ugly.

Then there's the tighter gun control argument, which is that if it were nigh on impossible to get guns, that this wouldn't have happened in the first place.  There are always going to be bad people in the world, though, who obtain guns no matter what the laws are - and this leaves normal law-abiding citizens helpless against attacks from such people.

I think it would be great to get to the heart of the societal issues that cause someone to go berserk like this and try to address those...that ain't happenin' anytime soon, though.  In the meantime, I don't know what to think about the gun control issue because I can see such valid points on both sides.

I just feel sick for all the families and friends of those poor students.   :'(

Offline Orc65

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Re: VA tech shootings and gun control
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2007, 02:19:14 AM »
The U.S. has the right to bear arms written into the constitution, changing that is almost impossible.
1. So instead they should make it a rather lengthy bureaucratic process to obtain the licence to own a firearm, this should:
A. Enable the prospective persons data to pass through a number of tests, verifying that he/she does not have any criminal record, mental health issues, suspect affiliations, drug dependencies etc.
B. It will generally deter people with such descriptors from legally purchasing a weapon.
C. This lengthy process will also probably deter the average person who just wants a weapon because it is cool.

2. Also since the U.S. government does require firearms owners to have hold a licence for their weapons, they are able to pass laws relevant to firearms ownership, without infringing on the citizens right to bear arms. The following should be phased in over a set time period:
Phase 1: Automatic weapons made illegal to own unless a licensed collector and limited to military or paramilitary government use.
Phase 2: As above but applying to Semi-Automatic rifles with a magazine capacity greater than 5 rounds.
The Constitution does not specifically state what type of arms the citizen can bear. These law changes do not alter the citizens right to bear arms (except of course those individuals who fail to pass the tests) they merely limit what type of weapons the citizen can bear.

(Note: Nothing in the world can stop people from obtaining what they really want, weapons can be purchased on the black market quite readily)