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Jared Diamond on hunter gatherer child rearing
« on: April 02, 2013, 09:07:26 PM »
Interesting take on hunter gatherer style child rearing from Jared Diamond:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/12/16/best-practices-for-raising-kids-look-to-hunter-gatherers.html
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Re: Jared Diamond on hunter gatherer child rearing
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 05:09:24 PM »
Great article, glad we baby-wear AND co-sleep!


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Re: Jared Diamond on hunter gatherer child rearing
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2013, 11:52:32 AM »
Great article, but I for one really don't know how I could translate paleo-parenting into modern day, given that I will want to (and might have to) go back to work within 6-12 months of having a kid, and don't have a handy supply of alloparents.  Even long-term breastfeeding might be tricky as breasts take well to pumping and with marriages breaking down the way they do, I don't personally feel I can risk my career by taking much time off work to have a kid or two...

My parents wore me facing forward, and that was in the late-80s.  My mum used to wear me and mow the lawn

Anyway, I digress - I have all of Jared Diamond's other books so will probably get this one too.  Has anyone read "Sex at Dawn" or "The Evolution of desire"?




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Re: Jared Diamond on hunter gatherer child rearing
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2013, 11:15:23 PM »
Has anyone read "Sex at Dawn" or "The Evolution of desire"?

No, but I will if you will.

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Re: Jared Diamond on hunter gatherer child rearing
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2013, 05:34:52 AM »
Has anyone read "Sex at Dawn" or "The Evolution of desire"?

No, but I will if you will.

 ;D


Read them both and have different issues with each ;)


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Re: Jared Diamond on hunter gatherer child rearing
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 07:00:46 AM »
Celtic, so you'll have 1-2 kids but since marriages fail often you're going back to work soon after to keep the career?

By that rationale you shouldn't even have the kids because marriages fail often :)

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Re: Jared Diamond on hunter gatherer child rearing
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 07:52:07 AM »
Celtic, so you'll have 1-2 kids but since marriages fail often you're going back to work soon after to keep the career?

By that rationale you shouldn't even have the kids because marriages fail often :)

I am strongly considering that option!  Still waiting for the 'ovary twitch' to kick in at 26.   But in any case I'll cover my back, as I'm a born cynic (which has been reinforced by many personal experiences!)  My parents gave me an excellent lesson on "How not to divorce" so if I do wind up divorced with kids I have some idea about how to minimise its impact. 

In that vein, I think a minority of paleo kids would have had 2 parents that remained together for their entire childhood, what with childbirth deaths, hunting injuries/death, and both the tendency in a lot of people (male and female) to fall out of 'lust' after 1-3 years and seek alternative partners.  A paleo woman or man would be better spreading their genetic bets and having their kids with different partners (but staying with the other parent for the kids infancy)  I don't believe that humans are a naturally long-term-monogamous species (although I certainly don't think we're biologically promiscuous as the authors of Sex at Dawn)

I plan on freezing my eggs and 30 and again at 35, and if I don't have to use them then I'll donate them to science/infertile couples who want smart but short kids.  ;D ;D ;D

In the meantime, I have a little desert dog

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Re: Jared Diamond on hunter gatherer child rearing
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2013, 01:05:22 AM »
Great article, but I for one really don't know how I could translate paleo-parenting into modern day, given that I will want to (and might have to) go back to work within 6-12 months of having a kid, and don't have a handy supply of alloparents.  Even long-term breastfeeding might be tricky as breasts take well to pumping and with marriages breaking down the way they do, I don't personally feel I can risk my career by taking much time off work to have a kid or two...

I regard it as an interesting article, not a manifesto on paleo parenting.  Among other things, modern hunter gatherers aren't paleolithic peoples.

Some things are pretty easy to incorporate even now:  cosleeping, for example.  Taking one's baby to work and breastfeeding at work may not be an option for many modern jobs, but pumping has been a pretty effective substitute for my wife.

Alloparents are tougher.  We've used some partial substitutes - a doula for each birth, and au pairs for child care when mommy's at work - but they aren't really the same thing.

Just because some marriages break down, does not mean all do.  I think there are real differences between marriages that work for the long term, and those that don't.

In the U.S., if you're able to afford time off for kids with a husband, you're able to afford it after the divorce as well, since a divorced couple actually gets to keep more income after taxes than does a married couple, and the woman is pretty much guaranteed to get custory of the kids along with most of the income in the form of child support and alimony.

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Re: Jared Diamond on hunter gatherer child rearing
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2013, 03:08:21 PM »

In the U.S., if you're able to afford time off for kids with a husband, you're able to afford it after the divorce as well, since a divorced couple actually gets to keep more income after taxes than does a married couple, and the woman is pretty much guaranteed to get custory of the kids along with most of the income in the form of child support and alimony.

At the moment I'm in the Middle East, so I'd get my "bride gold" and my kids until they were 7, then the father can easily get full custody.  :o  But financially, my parents and then later brothers would be responsible for me after a divorce  :o :o :o

In the UK, I'd get child support and potentially some alimony until the kids were 18.  My Dad was pissed that he had to pay child support for kids he didn't see much.  My mum was pissed about the impact that kids had on her career, and there was quite a lot of that career left after we turned 18 and she no longer got child support/alimony.  It's really a lose-lose situation!   :'(

I'm a bit torn about how "paleo" I will bring up my kids in terms of diet.  I'd like them full paleo, but my own parents were very strict about foods and it really didn't do me or my sister any favours later in life