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Miscellaneous / Modern mortality
« on: November 27, 2009, 04:05:45 PM »
There was a recent study that indicated that obesity might not have the mortality issues that are generally associated with it - basically anywhere between a BMI of 20 and one of 30 was pretty flat with respect to mortality.  This had me thinking that while the food pyramid diet caused people to get fat, it might possibly flush fats into fat cells quickly, thus not increasing coronary risk all that much.

On the other hand, I've noticed that there seem to be more obituaries from people dying in their late 50s and early 60s than I remember from decades past.  I just learned today that one of my friends died of coronary failure yesterday; he was about 60 and probably had a BMI of about 30.  We'd drifted apart, so it wasn't a personal tragedy for me, but it feels kind of like a warning - I don't remember any of my father's friends dying that early.

Miscellaneous / Re: All the women in my life are gaining weight
« on: November 27, 2009, 03:30:03 PM »
A 5lb increase in the uterus?  Whoa!!

Yeah, you can actually see the effect on the body shape after birth if you look carefully.  It's one of the things that takes longest to go away.

Obviously the uterus needs to get bigger as the baby gets bigger, but I think it also acts as a protein reserve for breast feeding.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« on: November 27, 2009, 07:37:17 AM »
I would be somewhat surprised if vitamin D could be stored effectively for months.  It's true that it's fat soluble, so one would expect a half life higher than days, but months seems to me a lot to expect.

I believe vitamin C is water soluble, which means it's flushed from the body in days.  If it's a problem on an all meat diet, it should become a problem within days of starting.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Meat only for 2 days, fruit veg and nuts the rest.
« on: November 27, 2009, 07:33:48 AM »
I ate carb heavy, ie sandwiches, pasta and chips, for a week and my glucose numbers only rose a little, ie from 5.2 to 5.7, which is not much past the standard deviation.

While sandwiches, pasta, and chips are less low carb than a typical paleo diet, they're not necessarily all that carb heavy - especially the sandwiches and chips - when compared to a lot of nonpaleo food.  Chips usually have a lot of fat, as do many sandwiches, and even some pasta.

Diet and nutrition / Re: paleo turkey??
« on: November 27, 2009, 07:17:19 AM »
Wldfg - I agree, I do not consider butter wholly primal... At the moment, I am undecided as to whether butter should be consumed in conjunction with a primal diet.

But for now, I consider the fats from butter to be healthy (but like I said, I am open to arguments against that)

The omega 3:6 ratios from butter vary by a lot - grass fed butter may be in the healthy range, but the figures I've seen for grain fed butter are in the 1:20 range, which is worse than most vegetable oil.  I think how healthy or unhealthy butter is depends a lot on the source.

As you say, though, butter is not really paleo, as it's still dairy.  One could easily baste a turkey with lard.

In reference to Olive Oil - I do not see what is wrong with consuming the oil that was squeezed from an olive (Im using organic EVOO)... But again, open to  opposing opinions.

Well, we're not making judgements on "right" and "wrong" here, just whether something is paleo.  It's hard to imagine a cave man pressing olives for the oil; I don't think it's realistic to consider olive oil paleo.  It's more of a "next best thing" when one can't get actual paleo animal fats.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Borderline case!
« on: November 25, 2009, 06:00:16 PM »
Cheese/dairy products:

These are clearly not paleo since humans didn't consume them at all until the neolithic.  For those who have the neolithic adult lactose tolerance mutation, the primary problem is the proteins.  For those who don't have that mutation, the lactose - milk sugar - is even worse.  The fats in dairy products, while not paleo, are probably the least bad nonpaleo fats from a paleo standpoint.


Peas and lentils are legumes and clearly not paleo.  They are in the same category as grains and dairy products.  I tolerate them less well than I do grains, probably because they have higher levels of plant proteins, including lectins; however, they are lower in carbohydrates, so people who have smaller numbers of copies of the amylase gene may have more trouble with grains.

Seeds/Nuts/Peanut butter:

Nuts are paleo and acceptable in limited amounts, though salt or roasting in vegetable oil adds nonpaleo ingredients and makes them nonpaleo.  Peanuts are legumes, so peanut butter is in the same category as peas and lentils.

Introductions / Re: My intro and info
« on: November 24, 2009, 06:31:03 PM »
Welcome!  Sounds like you've finally found a diet that works for you.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« on: November 24, 2009, 06:23:14 PM »
@ Warren: I see, boiled fish, that sure is a boring diet, I guess life can be rough sometimes.

Johansson actually remarks on that.  At first, the eskimos fixed his fish differently, because he initially thought he didn't like fish boiled.  Then he tried the boiled fish, and started having it more often.  By the time winter rolled around and that was all he ate for six months.

He did note that each person ate whatever parts of the fish they wanted, so perhaps he got a little variety that way.  Or perhaps he was like me, and didn't care about variety as long as he liked what he was eating.

Miscellaneous / All the women in my life are gaining weight
« on: November 24, 2009, 04:55:38 PM »
My wife said I should post admitting that all the women in my life are gaining weight.  My wife has gained 17 pounds in the last 3 months, and my daughter is 50% heavier than she was at her last birthday.


Of course, my wife is 7 months pregnant and my daughter is aged 17 months.

Miscellaneous / Re: WHy?
« on: November 24, 2009, 08:10:14 AM »
cast iron skillet

You may have to go to an auction site for this.  Good cast iron skillets fetch about $100 each.

Introductions / Re: Hello, can anyone offer me advice on the following....
« on: November 24, 2009, 08:07:35 AM »

Your menu sounds quite good.  At age 21, you probably won't have to worry about nightshades - the tomato - too much; it's at 40 or 50 that they can start causing arthritis in some people.

If you feel you aren't getting enough to eat, I'd recommend adding more fatty meat.  For salmon and turkey, you may want to leave the skin on and eat it too.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Day 1..
« on: November 24, 2009, 07:49:43 AM »
Yeah, I've recently noticed that raw carrots have started tasting really sweet, like candy used to taste.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Day 1..
« on: November 23, 2009, 12:06:42 PM »
In the middle of a huge heachache right now.   >:(

Guess my body is mad at me for no carbs!!!

This is probably ketosis induction.  Usually the first time your body goes into ketosis - where it creates keytones and uses gluconeogenesis to convert protein to glucose - you'll have some uncomfortable symptoms.  Most people seem to find that subsequently, the transitions are much easier.

It should pass after a few days if you are eating enough fat, or you can be like I was originally and wimp out and eat more fruit.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Basically Meat-Only?
« on: November 23, 2009, 12:01:03 PM »
To me it seems that the Eskimo diet should not be considered all-meat.

This may depend on which eskimos.  Johansson was very specific that the eskimos he stayed with ate nothing but boiled fish for the entire six months of winter.  Eskimos further south live in areas with more vegetation.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Water
« on: November 23, 2009, 11:47:56 AM »
I usually keep a glass of water within reach so I won't drink too little.  Under most circumstances, I think we need more than just what's lost in cooking.

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