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Diet and nutrition / Re: is it bad to eat a lot of pineapple?
« on: February 12, 2010, 08:15:54 PM »
cavegim: check the list of ingredients in the list. If it's just pineapples + water, then the previous advice applies. However there might be some added sugar or other undesirables.

Agreed.  I would be very surprised if there wasn't at least as much sugar as pineapple by calories.  Unless cans or other containers of fruit say "no sugar added" on the label, it almost always has sugar added.

This is why I stick pretty strictly to the "whole" part of the "whole fruit" allowed on paleo.  Picking up a whole pineapple and slicing it yourself would generally be considered paleo, unless you stay away from new world plants as Tarlach points out.

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Diet and nutrition / Re: Paleo with no meat except chicken and fish?
« on: February 12, 2010, 02:15:32 PM »
I've got no problem at all with adding coconut and olive oil to my food, it's just some people say they're not really suitable for a paleo diet?  But if they're ok I'll use them.  And I'll eat nuts and eggs for fat as well as the fish oil supplements.

Eggs will definitely help too, though I'd recommend springing for free range or omega 3 eggs.  The fat in commercial eggs have a similar detrimental omega 3:6 ratio to what vegetable oils tend to have.

Also, I know people say you're meant to get plenty of animal fat, but I read that in paleo times the animals were really lean and the cavemen wouldn't have been getting that much fat?

They probably would not have had a lot of marbling in the muscles.  However, larger animals would have had subcutaneous fat, and while we now discard that fat, paleolithic man would likely have eaten as much as he felt like.  See this post for a link to some photos of fat on game:

http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?topic=2631.msg23778#msg23778

Carnivores tend to eat the fattier tissues of the belly and body cavity first, before they eat the leaner muscle meat.

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Miscellaneous / Re: so how long have you been paleo?
« on: February 12, 2010, 09:45:18 AM »
I started in July 2008.

I did it primarily for health reasons, especially with regard to chronic diseases, and the data for that obviously isn't in yet.  However, I did manage to get rid of some nagging problems, including chronic painful gas and hemorrhoids, and also stopped the progression of farsightedness and skin wrinkles.  I wasn't trying to lose weight, but I did lose some fat, going down from 155 lb to 138 lb (5'11").

Rather than cutting and pasting and getting incomplete lists when people post at the same time, could you edit your original post to maintain the list of dates?

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Diet and nutrition / Re: Paleo with no meat except chicken and fish?
« on: February 12, 2010, 09:37:41 AM »
Breakfast - some chopped fruits, followed by boiled eggs and grilled prawns.

snack - nuts

lunch - chicken and variety of vegetables

dinner - chicken and veg

In conjunction with the fish oil supplements - not strictly paleo, but they would provide essential fatty acids that would normally be in animal fats in your diet - it seems to me this would be okay from a health standpoint.  Everything you list is certainly paleo.

I just think you might end up getting hungry with so little fat (unless you ate a lot of walnuts for your nuts), and as Il Capo said, too much protein could be an issue if you tried to get a lot of extra calories from protein.  But try it for a couple weeks, and see!


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Diet and nutrition / Re: Paleo with no meat except chicken and fish?
« on: February 12, 2010, 08:39:25 AM »
It could work, especially if you are happy with dark meat chicken with the skin on.  Cod also has some oil in it; after all that's where cod liver oil comes from.  Most of us consider coconut oil to be paleo, I think, though not as healthy as animal fats.

Edit:  with regard to losing weight, try it and see.  Men seem to have better luck than women losing unwanted weight on paleo with substantial fruit, but you might get lucky.

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Diet and nutrition / Re: Printable paleo foods list
« on: February 12, 2010, 07:27:14 AM »
A list of what you can't eat is shorter and Tarlach has one in his signature I think.

What you can eat is pretty short, too:  fresh meat, fruit, vegetables, eggs, small amounts of unroasted nuts and honey.

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Food Journals / Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« on: February 11, 2010, 07:42:10 PM »
So that means I have to stay on the meds for 6 months.  Go off them until I start getting symptoms again and then start them again for 6 months until at some point in my life they will hopefully go away.

Here's hoping paleo will help at the next 6 month test interval.

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Diet and nutrition / Re: Allergies and the paleo diet
« on: February 11, 2010, 07:40:10 PM »
My allergies seem much milder since I went on paleo.  I managed a full hay fever season with any significant symptoms, when I used to sneeze like crazy throughout.

They don't go away completely, though.  I visited an apartment with cats yesterday, and I used up half a box of tissues during and after the visit - I'm definitely still allergic to them.

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Diet and nutrition / Re: Why is the caveman diet making me very tired?
« on: February 11, 2010, 07:32:27 PM »
That is far beyond the average time most people here have taken to start experiencing more energy (from what I have read in threads).

I think the week or two we focus on here is the transition to ketosis.  I don't think Cordain generally recommends levels of fruit consumption low enough for ketosis, and I think he's focusing on a different transition - or maybe the same transition happens more slowly if you don't cut carbohydrates to the point of ketosis.

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Food Journals / Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« on: February 11, 2010, 09:41:57 AM »
I have no choice but to take the Allegra and Cimetidine as I have chronic hives and that is what will fix them.

It's probably not time yet, but once you feel fully comfortable with paleo and once the weather gets nicer, you could try seeing if you can do with less medication.  Because the paleo diet eliminates a lot of inflammatory foods, it can help with allergies.

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Diet and nutrition / Re: Why is the caveman diet making me very tired?
« on: February 10, 2010, 06:41:25 PM »
I'm so hungry by lunchtime though. Its not like I am having sweet stuff full of carbs that will give me an insulin spike.

Bit confused and would love a bit more energy.

I was puzzled by the afternoon tiredness, but I agree with Tarlach that carbs at breakfast will definitely make you hungry at lunch.  Best to save the fruit for dinner.

Also, I think sometimes people on the paleo diet get colds without any of the normal symptoms, they just get tired and sleepy and don't realize they are sick.

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Diet and nutrition / Re: Whole grains
« on: February 10, 2010, 02:03:29 PM »
Whole grains have been thought to be healthy for only the last 20 years or so.  For at least 2000 years prior to that, it was thought that the whiter the flour, the better.

I think the wisdom of the previous 2000 years had it less wrong.  White flour mostly only has empty calories - which, granted, is bad.  Whole grains add insoluble fiber, which can cause or exacerbate irritable bowel syndrome, and many contain lectins which can trigger autoimmune responses, so they're even worse.

http://ibdsupport.com/food_intolerance.php

Grains actually have very little in the way of vitamins relative to their calories.  You'll generally do better with meat.

Atherosclerotic plaque requires two things to form:  small, dense LDL and inflammation to basically cause the deposited LDL particles to scab over.  Grains, including whole grains, tend to cause an inflammatory environment in the body, promoting the latter part of the process.

Low carb diets are connected to higher LDL levels.  However, recent research seems to indicate that low carb diets tend to increase harmless "large fluffy LDL" rather than the harmful "small dense LDL".  This has been most recently discussed in this thread:

http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?topic=2624.0

There is a theory that a low carb diet high in saturated fat can cause fat deposition in the arteries without actually scabbing over and forming plaque, and some people worry about that, even though it has not been linked to actual heart attacks.  If you want to be extra safe, that could be a reason to prefer unhydrogenated lard, which is low in saturated fats, over grass fed beef tallow as your cooking oil.

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Miscellaneous / Re: I don't believe these results.
« on: February 10, 2010, 09:44:50 AM »
Exercise does increase HDL; one possibility is that he's exercising a lot.

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Food Journals / Re: Renta's Roasts and other refreshments.
« on: February 10, 2010, 07:24:44 AM »
Unless the weight change is more than a few pounds, I suspect random variation.

There are however a couple of things you could do to improve:

- drop the nuts, or only keep unshelled nuts around so you have to shell them to eat them

- replace the vegetable oil with grass fed tallow or unhydrogenated lard to improve your omega 3:6 ratio.  I find that when my omega 3s get low, I start eating seemingly random foods like walnuts, in what I believe is my body trying to get its omega 3s.

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Miscellaneous / Re: Storing energy and sudden famine
« on: February 10, 2010, 07:15:40 AM »
"It's the carbs" and "it's the calories" are not independent.  One of the effects of carbohydrates on insulin sensitive people is that they tend to increase appetite.

Once I stabilized in weight with normal paleo I did an experiment and added tubers back to my diet, and made no other changes.

If you added something but made no other changes, your caloric intake would have gone up, right?  So that would be evidence against calories and weight being strictly linked.

Of course, the strongest evidence is the studies (including Keyes' WWII research) indicating that it takes extremely severe caloric restriction to cause people to lose weight; they respond to mild caloric restriction by reducing their metabolism.

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