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I thought watermelons and melons were the highest on the glycemic index?

They're still fruit, and thus paleo.


I should perhaps expand on that.  Glycemic index is not a very useful way of comparing paleo carbohydrates - primarily fruit - and nonpaleo carbohydrates.  That's because glycemic index is compared on a calorie for calorie basis - but 100 calories worth of fruit represents a lot more bulk and weight than 100 calories of grain or beans.

Also, once you're on a paleo diet, you're pretty much immune to diabetes, so glycemic index doesn't really matter that much.  If you're trying to replenish your glycogen after heavy exercise, you might even want a higher glycemic index food to do it faster.

Edit:  I think the highest glycemic index fruit are actually bananas and grapes.

Food Journals / Re: phrak's phood
« on: February 09, 2010, 07:25:40 PM »
cavemen. Still, I try not to eat beans as much as possible (I even stopped eating peanuts), but I don't consider them bad. Some of these peoples regularly consumed butter and cheeses as well.

I don't know what you mean by "these people", but no paleolithic people regularly consumed butter, cheese, or beans - none.  Butter and cheese require domestication of animals, and beans require agriculture, so all of those are strictly neolithic foods.

Diet and nutrition / Re: how do you guys do it?
« on: February 09, 2010, 07:18:15 PM »
There's a lot of variety in meats.  For example, I have ready to eat:

- left over pork loin roast
- left over prime rib (actually choice rib, but still excellent)
- sardines (in nonpaleo olive oil, but most of that can be drained)
- oysters (also in nonpaleo olive oil)
- edit:  forgot the left over pulled pork

Defrosted and ready to cook (dinners for the next couple days)

- salmon
- grass fed ground beef
- another rib roast

In my freezer

- dry aged sirloin steak
- filet mignon
- more pork loin, salmon, grass fed ground beef and rib roast

For fruit, I have in the house oranges, pears, grapes, strawberries, and blueberries.  I have bok choi, spinach, onions, and mushrooms.  I also have boiled eggs, as well as raw eggs for frying and uncured bacon to go with them.

Now granted, I have an advantage in that I do the grocery shopping and cooking for my family.

But you want to know the truth?  I could personally survive on grass fed ground beef and mushrooms every night.  Cooked properly, good meat is delicious, and I personally wouldn't need variety.  It's worth spending some time learning to cook it.

Spices are generally paleo.  Some of us use a small amount of salt - I do on beef and pork sometimes - even though it's questionable from a paleo standpoint.  I find that if I put the salt on top of the meat where I can taste it, I'm in no danger of having too much, and I figure it makes up for the missing blood.

Diet and nutrition / Re: chocolate?
« on: February 09, 2010, 03:49:40 PM »
I consider 100% chocolate to be in the same category as black coffee - not paleo, but not the kind of cheat that will threaten the diet.

I have a few grams of dark chocolate now and then - usually 85%, but recently I've been experimenting with 100% chocolate dipped in a little honey to avoid nonpaleo ingredients.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Paleo blog
« on: February 09, 2010, 11:37:16 AM »
Paleo Dude, do you have a source for that?

What I can find says that the U.N. lists Japan as #1 and Canada as #11.  The CIA world factbook lists Andorra #1 by nation (Macau is higher but is not a nation), but the U.S. at #34 and Cuba at #38.

There isn't a whole lot of difference in the top 50 or so, and it's probably more dependent on medical technology than actual health of the population.

Miscellaneous / Re: Storing energy and sudden famine
« on: February 09, 2010, 09:32:59 AM »
I think from the cave man's point of view, it would be a tradeoff between storing energy as fat for times of scarcity, and staying lean to maximize performance in the hunt.  The body can convert muscle to glucose for energy, but muscle stores far less calories per pound than fat.

I think it's interesting that on a low carb, high meat diet, we lose the fat, which optimizes us for the hunt.  On a higher carb, high fruit diet, we collect more fat, which could see us through to the next type of tree that comes into fruit.

There is one other way that carnivores survive the lean times.  They defend territories much larger than they need during normal times, so they'll still have adequate prey during lean times.  Paleolithic humans probably did the same.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Paleo blog
« on: February 09, 2010, 09:19:53 AM »
That said,  someone who processes the deer or other game animal similar to the ways the "lithic" societies would have, may have used the fat from the outside of the meat (that comes from right beneath the skin)  to eat.  When I processed mine, I've always gone after meat, not entirety.

Yes, that was really what I was trying to say.  The muscles in game are quite lean, but I can't imagine that cave men would have wasted that precious layer of subcutaneous fat.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Paleo blog
« on: February 08, 2010, 09:46:48 PM »
Is that 15% of total calories or 15% of fat calories?

It's 15% of total calories, or close to 40% of the fat calories.  That's because the French eat a lot of butter and cheese, which have a large proportion of saturated fat.

Note that I'm not advocating eating more saturated fat here.  I'm just saying that I don't really worry about it any more.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Paleo blog
« on: February 08, 2010, 07:35:46 PM »
Anyone else subscribe to the Paleo Diet blog?  See the latest post?  Cordain still hasn't reversed what he's said about fat...especially sat fat.  He's all for canola and flax and says to choose the leanest meats possible.  Thoughts?

My thoughts are that I keep coming across more and more evidence that saturated fat is nothing to worry about.  Just today I came across a paper indicating that the French, who have low rates of heart disease, get 15% of their calories from saturated fat and about 40% from fat of all sources, of which butter is the biggest contributor:

I think Cordain is just having trouble shaking off the "fat is bad" brainwashing, which he's probably been exposed to since before I was born in 1960.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Paleo blog
« on: February 08, 2010, 07:15:49 PM »
Elk and deer don't have enough fat on their whole body to make a hamburger.

Does this perhaps depend on the season and whether the deer in the area are overpopulated and thus underfed?  Out of the 35 pictures of a deer being skinned at the following link, about 10 seem to show significant quantities of visible fat (13-15, 18-21, 25, 27, 30, counting from the top down):

Diet and nutrition / Re: Protein shakes/bars?
« on: February 08, 2010, 03:50:59 PM »
Protein shakes are a manufactured food and are not paleo.

Whole meat and eggs are the best sources of protein.  If you exercise enough to need to restore glycogen levels, fruit can supply the necessary sugar.

Diet and nutrition / Re: jerky? dried veggies?
« on: February 08, 2010, 08:03:14 AM »
Home made jerky probably qualifies as paleo.

Dried fruit by itself may not.  Most likely paleolithic man would have eaten the fruit fresh while in season.  It's also extremely easy to binge on dried fruit.

Diet and nutrition / Re: Condiments?
« on: February 08, 2010, 07:59:38 AM »
Most of the rest are full of sugar or other horrible things.  I wouldn't touch any ketchup or BBQ sauce.

Agreed.  Ketchup is basically tomato (nightshade) plus sweetener (nonpaleo).  Can't get much less paleo than that.

If the food is fresh, good quality, and prepared well, it shouldn't require any condiments.  That said, straight horseradish may be paleo.

Progress Reports & Photos / Re: bills pics
« on: February 08, 2010, 07:45:11 AM »
Men are supposed to measure at the navel.  Women are supposed to measure at the narrowest point, I believe.

Introductions / Re: week 2 slow changes
« on: February 08, 2010, 07:43:30 AM »
Whatever works for you, however take into account that most people who have stuck with the diet have switched overnight rather than gradually.

This is absolutely true for switching from nonpaleo to paleo, cutting out the grains, dairy, and legumes.

For switching between different styles of paleo - such as reducing the fruit, or getting rid of the nightshades - I think a slower transition can work.  I ate a lot of fruit for my first year or so, and didn't have much problem cutting back later.

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