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Miscellaneous / Re: eating when upset and stressed
« on: February 05, 2010, 12:35:54 PM »
Just note that 85% dark is still nonpaleo and can still cause problems.  See my cautionary tales #1:

http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?topic=1430.0

Very small amounts may be okay, but it's harder to limit cheats to small amounts when stressed.

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Miscellaneous / Help finding a video
« on: February 05, 2010, 11:12:37 AM »
At some point, someone posted a link to a video, I think on this forum, presenting a study that showed that a low carb diet was the most effective for losing weight.  The study was done by a vegetarian.  I've looked for a while but can't find it.  Does anyone remember it who can point me to it?

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Progress Reports & Photos / Re: this is wierd to me
« on: February 05, 2010, 09:17:43 AM »
Get your "before" pictures before it's too late!

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Diet and nutrition / Re: It is time
« on: February 05, 2010, 08:20:38 AM »
So I am hoping switching to meat only will help kick start my weight loss again.

It might not be a long term loss, but going to zero carb for a week could lose you the 4 lb you need.  Go to the bathroom before the test!

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Food Journals / Re: phrak's phood
« on: February 04, 2010, 08:53:34 PM »
Basically, I'm more lax than most people in that I feel if it was eaten like 5000 years ago, it's probably ok.

5000 years ago is definitely neolithic - not paleo by any stretch.  By that rule, you could eat rice, bread and pasta.

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Miscellaneous / Re: Paleo baby
« on: February 04, 2010, 08:01:11 PM »
Oh, one other thing I noticed.

You know how newborn babies can't support their heads, and you have to be careful to support their heads for them when you hold them?  I've always wondered about how cave babies survived, when their parents must sometimes not have realized they needed head support at all times.

Now I have my answer.  Duncan can hold his own head up, at least when in a near vertical position.  I noticed this when trying to burp him - it actually makes burping him harder, as when I try to flop him over my shoulder, he'll hold his head up vertically rather than flopping over as I intend.

Seems like paleo babies are not quite as fragile as neolithic babies.

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Miscellaneous / Re: Paleo baby
« on: February 04, 2010, 07:54:50 PM »
Oh, and thanks, everyone!  I wonder what the paleo equivalent of handing out cigars is.

Now you're in trouble though.  Two kids is more than 2x the work of one  ;)

So I've heard!  I didn't hear that until a couple months ago, though, when it was too late!

Seriously, we always wanted to have more than one.

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I can't understand how anyone could have a third   :D

At least one of our friends claims that three is as easy as two because they start playing with each other more.  I'm not sure how much there is to that.

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Miscellaneous / Re: Paleo baby
« on: February 04, 2010, 07:51:52 PM »
That lead me to finding a midwife group for my 5th pregnancy.  It would have been a hosital birth too, but at least with providers i knew would not push a lot of interventions on me.

We did use a doula.  Evidently she had a bit of a reputation with the hospital staff, so they did not push any interventions.  Of course, the last time around, there wasn't any time for interventions anyway.

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Introductions / Re: I finally took the plunge
« on: February 04, 2010, 07:43:30 PM »
Spread the word, atkins did not die of a heart attack. It was propaganda spread by who knows.

I think the rumor started in the following way.  He slipped and fell, and cracked his head.  However, the doctors kept him alive for a few days.  Of course they pumped him full of glucose solution through IVs - standard procedure - and he evidently bloated up from that.  When he eventually died, never having regained consciousness from the fall, some people speculated that he had died from heart failure, ignoring the part about cracking his head on the concrete.

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Food Journals / Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« on: February 04, 2010, 07:31:43 PM »
nope...not time of the month I am mid cycle right now...mind you my cycle is short (21 days) so...well I guess I'll see how it plays out.  Won't change my desire to be on paleo :-)

Okay.  Just a thought, since the variation seemed to be more than just noise.

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yes fat metabolism...explain.

Okay.  This will be a little long, but I think it's worthwhile to understand.

First, let's start with Taubes' bottom line in his video lecture and book.  That bottom line is, "carbohydrates drive insulin drives fat".  What this means is that eating carbohydrates causes an increase in insulin levels, which in turn tells the fat cells to absorb nutrients - both glucose from carbohydrates, as well as fat that was absorbed directly or converted from carbohydrates in the liver.  Normally fat cells just release fat when the levels in the bloodstream get low, but the insulin causes them to absorb fat rather than release it.

Now, what do we expect to happen on a standard low calorie diet?  Well, these diets tend still to be relatively high in carbohydrate, but very low in fat.  The carbohydrate drives the insulin, which drives the fat cells to absorb any available fat.  Since there isn't much fat in the diet to start with, the level in the bloodstream gets very low.  That's what triggers the cells in the rest of the body to drop their metabolism rate and shut down.  And that's why standard low calorie diets don't work well.

In contrast, what happens when calories are low on a paleolithic hunting diet?  In this case, the diet will have almost no carbohydrates.  Insulin levels will stay low, and fat cells will continue to release available fat as long as they have it.  Until the fat cells get depleted, the cells in the rest of the body will see adequate levels of fat in the bloodstream and will not shut down.  This would have been critically important to our paleolithic ancestors, where the way to recover from a failed hunt would not have been to shut down, but to stay active and make sure the next hunt was a success.  Only when fat reserves get critically low does the body conclude there's no game to be had and substantially shut down the metabolism rate.

Note that I'm decidedly not advocating a forced low calorie paleo diet to the point of ignoring actual hunger.  Real hunger, as opposed to carb cravings, is likely a sign that the body needs nutrients and may cut down the metabolism shortly.  What I am saying is that in the absence of hunger, food is not needed to maintain metabolism.  On a paleolithic diet, a properly functioning body with adequate fat reserves can maintain a healthy metabolic level while getting most of its energy from stored fat.  Setting a numeric calorie goal to get enough calories for 'maintenance' just means that the body will get its calories from food rather than from stored fat, preventing weight loss.

In other words, trust your body to tell you how much food it needs, instead of going for a numeric goal.  If you want to track something, track the percentage of calories from protein, fat, and carbohydrates, but don't worry about the absolute amount.

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But maybe I am still eating too many carbs?  And too many at one sitting?

I doubt that how much you eat at one sitting makes a difference.  However, it does seem like women need to limit their carbohydrates more than do men in order to lose weight.  Simply dropping nonpaleo foods seems to be sufficient for men, even if they eat fruit.  In contrast, women seem to need to limit even their paleo carbs.  The best documented case I can find of a woman going from fat to thin on paleo while a member of this forum is karlin, and looking back through her posts it seems like she didn't eat much fruit, and even limited some vegetables, though perhaps she could provide more detail herself.

That women might need to more strictly restrict carbohydrates makes sense from what's known of the differences between male and female metabolisms.  Men get some of their energy from anaerobic metabolism even at aerobic levels of exertion; that anaerobic metabolism uses more glycogen - the material glucose is stored as in muscle - than does aerobic metabolism.  That means that a certain amount of carbohydrate in the diet will go towards fueling the muscles rather than driving the fat cells to absorb the available fat.  In contrast, women can operate on an almost entirely aerobic metabolism, burning fat only, so perhaps any carbohydrate is more likely to drive the fat cells to absorb fat instead of releasing it, causing hunger rather than weight loss.

So in answer to your question, it probably wouldn't hurt to drop the fruit entirely for a couple of weeks.  Your liver can always make any glucose it needs from protein using gluconeogenesis.

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Food Journals / Re: Sassy Sarah's Super Sexy Slimdown
« on: February 04, 2010, 01:42:20 PM »
Weight = 252  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  What the hell is going on!!?!?!?

Could time of the month have something to do with it?

But when you restrict calories from you basic daily need, your metabolism slows down.  I've done that for years and so my metabolism is ground to a halt.

I feel like we're talking past each other here.  If you want an explanation, I can explain in terms of fat metabolism, but if you just want empty reassurance, I'm happy to drop it.

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Introductions / Re: Hi
« on: February 04, 2010, 01:24:49 PM »
I was tired on starting paleo and tbh I can't say the extra energy boost that folk are talking about has really kicked in yet.

I think this might be somewhat seasonal on a strict paleo diet.  Sun is scarce this time of the year, and the meats available probably come from animals that haven't had as much green forage recently.

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Miscellaneous / Re: Sleep
« on: February 04, 2010, 01:20:33 PM »
When I first started doing a nightly routine (10pm, make some Bedtime Tea, put pajamas on, shut off the TV, brush teeth, etc) I was able to be out of bed between 6:00 and 6:30....

Soooo... why am I posting this? For advice. I have read all the research and KNOW that sleep is important, I WANT to wake up earlier (thus getting to work earlier, and having more time after work), but for some reason I can't seem to do it consistently. Any advice or tips?

It sounds like you already know how to do it - to wake up earlier, go to bed earlier.  It's just a matter of actually doing it.

If you need to get up at 8:30, I wouldn't aim to get up at 6:30.  Start your nightly routine at 11:30 instead of 10:00 so you won't feel like you're wasting time.

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Introductions / Re: I finally took the plunge
« on: February 04, 2010, 01:00:23 PM »
Thanks all for the responses... The biggest thing for me, believe it or not, is I need to get used to everyone thinking I'm weird doing this.

That is a significant adjustment.  It's probably one reason why a lot of us don't tend to talk to others about our diet too much - the other being that they have all sorts of excuses not to get healthy.

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Another thing with my health is my joints, I have a lot of joint pain. I am hoping to see results by cutting out nightshades, although from what I've read, it can take a very long time in some people to feel relief.

I felt relief within a week or so after cutting all nightshades out.  I think what I had was early, mild osteoarthritis.

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Oh yeah and the coffee thing, not sure if it's strict paleo, but I drink mine with stevia. The only ingredients in the sweetener is a concentrated and powdered form of the stevia plant and inulin soluble fiber, whatever that is. I guess I'm gonna go look that up now, since I'm thinking of it. The package says 0 Carbs, 0 Calories, and 0 Glycemic index.

Most of us don't think of stevia as paleo, though it's not a major cheat like grains or dairy.  It should be noted that artificial sweeteners are somewhat insulinogenic even though they have 0 glycemic index, so the same probably goes for stevia.

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I've heard that both sugar and salt can cause water retention; with the info I provided, is it likely that I'm getting a bloated stomach from the fruits and kippers? Is it ok for me to continue eating these kippers regularly?

I know from personal experience that eating a lot of fruit - say, several bananas or more - will cause water retention and a small increase in the waistline.  I haven't noticed that with salt, but my salt intake is generally low and doesn't vary much.

Whether the kippers are okay probably depends on just how much salt is in them, and your tolerance for salt.

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