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Miscellaneous / Re: Sprouted Grains
« on: November 07, 2009, 07:07:07 PM »
I might consider the sprout part to be a vegetable.  I think usually sprouted grains are eaten with part of the grain still there, though, and I don't think that would be paleo.

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Introductions / Re: Hello Everyone.
« on: November 07, 2009, 07:03:49 PM »
Welcome to posting!

I don't know of any definitive list for new world foods, I'm afraid.

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Food Journals / Re: Marika's Food Blog
« on: November 07, 2009, 07:01:49 PM »
Ack, three posts in a row.  Your food blog is just too interesting, Marika!

With respect to raw meat, if you feel like it you could try fixing some steaks rare.  If you allow them to come to room temperature first, then preheat your cooking surface, you can just sear them for a minute or so on each side, and the middle will still be raw but you may find it pretty appetizing.  I used to like my steaks well done until I had a rare steak done right.

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Food Journals / Re: Marika's Food Blog
« on: November 07, 2009, 06:58:47 PM »
Good question. I did a calculation for a 1 month old baby.

I would also note that newborn babies actually have pretty weak immune systems.  Breast milk, however, contains antibiotics and antivirals that protect the baby by killing everything in their intestinal tract.

Note:  TMI below

In fact, exclusively breast fed babies have poop that smells kind of sweet and not at all bad.  This was a very nice surprise when I first changed diapers!  I think this is because there is no intestinal flora to make bad smells.

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Food Journals / Re: Marika's Food Blog
« on: November 07, 2009, 06:40:18 PM »
Water 322.8g 12%

I'm guessing this is because you just didn't record the water?

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Diet and nutrition / Re: gain weight
« on: November 07, 2009, 06:34:56 PM »
I know that they aren't paleo food, and are toxics, but fermented no paleo fodod are largely used in the world andd it seems that they are good for bowel...

I would say a better way to put it is that fermented grains and legumes are not as bad for the bowels as unfermented grains and legumes.  However, they are still not paleo, and not having grains or legumes in any form is even better.

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Diet and nutrition / Re: Acaiberry
« on: November 07, 2009, 06:26:39 PM »
I followed one of those links once and read all the details.  Acai berries are guaranteed get you to a healthy weight if you also cut out all grains and processed foods, and only eat fresh meat, fruit, and vegetables.

In other words, it seems to be a way for them to make money off the paleo diet.

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Research / Re: Data on hunter gatherers - Ache, !Kung, Kiwi
« on: November 07, 2009, 12:17:29 PM »
Looks like we were posting at the same time!  My post right above this has a link to more info about the Ache.  They most definitely did not have egalitarian food sharing practices, which you can read about starting on page 196.

I read page 196 - 197 is not available in the preview and the discussion pretty much ends before 198 - and I don't think it demonstrates nonegalitarian food sharing.  The author does convey that impression, but it's from emotional manipulation rather than facts, suggesting that the author is trying to make a point not supported by the facts on the Ache.  From that page:

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"My memories of foraging trips are imbued with hunger," Hurtado writes ... "I always felt as if I didn't have enough food ... I would oftentimes think about the two pieces of candy and a handful of nuts I had hidden in my knapsack for an afterdark meal."

Food became Hurtado's obsession when she was living with the Ache.  This had something to do with her initial reluctance to eat monkeys, peccaries, armadillos, palm larvae, and the other foods of the forest ... but it also had to do with being a woman in a society where there are rules as to what, when, and where women are allowed to eat....

Her husband was never as food-stressed as she was; nor was Kristen Hawkes [the other female anthropologist on the expedition]

The fact that the other woman didn't feel the same way as Magdalena Hurtado did to me throws doubt on the idea that her food stress was primarily because of differential treatment of the the sexes.  I think it was more likely difficulty in adjusting to Ache dietary rules - dietary rules that applied to women, yes, but dietary rules that applied to men as well.

Among the Ache, the men provide the vast majority of the food - 87% in my source, and perhaps more in Tarlach's source - mostly in the form of meat from the animals to which Hurtado had initial difficulty adjusting.  The food the men collect is not eaten by anyone - neither by men nor by women - until the evening meal, after dark.  Indeed, there's a strict taboo against any man eating from his own kill, so it's not until the group gets back together at the end of the day that the meat can be distributed to the people who will be eating it.

The women are not under as strict a sharing rule, and are allowed to snack on the vegetable foods and grubs that they find during the day; however, that doesn't amount to much even for the Ache women, and if Hurtado didn't care for grubs, she wouldn't have had much to snack on.  If she had trouble adjusting to the "one meal a day" habits of the Ache, it's not surprising she would develop a food obsession.

This is not to say that other hunter gatherer groups don't have sexually discriminatory dietary rules; I remember reading that one African group doesn't permit women to eat certain parts of the animal carcass - I think it was the back, heart, liver, and maybe a couple other parts.  I just don't think there's good evidence that the Ache had such rules.

A plausible evolutionary reason for feeding women last is that underfed women won't get pregnant. When food is not enough for the tribe size, keeping the tribe numbers small would make sense.

I acknowledge that the practice can be interpreted as barbaric or ethically wrong, but as a survival mechanism, ethics aside, it has some logic.

This is possible.  It's also possible that hunting effectiveness is more sensitive to the intake of animal foods than is gathering of other foods.  In societies where the men do the hunting, this could lead to inequitable distribution of food favoring the men if there wasn't enough food to make everyone happy.

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Research / Re: Data on hunter gatherers - Ache, !Kung, Kiwi
« on: November 06, 2009, 01:23:03 PM »
It's from my reply earlier in the thread, where I stated that the information was obtained from The Primal Feast:  Food, Sex, Foraging and Love by Susan Allport.

Ah, right, thanks.  You weren't sure if it was the Ache.

I suspect it's much more likely to be an African group than the Ache, as there are dogs in Africa that might be domesticated.

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Research / Re: Data on hunter gatherers - Ache, !Kung, Kiwi
« on: November 06, 2009, 12:17:04 PM »
It also doesn't matter how much honey or how many grubs are collected if you don't get to eat any of it anyway because you're a woman and it was already all fed to the dogs.  ;P

...the order of food distribution went old men, warriors, young men, children, dogs, women. The women were actively prevented from eating many foods, and they only got to eat whatever permitted foods were left over after all those other groups got their fill.

What source is that quote from?

The paper I cited said all the food collected by Ache men, which would include the honey, was redistributed in the evening, with no special preference to the men.  Also they didn't use dogs - as expected, since there are no dogs native to the Americas.

The insects were mostly collected by the women and eaten on the spot rather than saved for redistribution.

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Miscellaneous / Re: Caveman Bathing/Hygiene?
« on: November 05, 2009, 09:19:21 PM »
facial "fuzz"

Some men have facial "fuzz"?  My wife says I go straight from smooth to sandpaper.  She doesn't care for sandpaper.

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Miscellaneous / Re: Another cheat day, not good
« on: November 05, 2009, 09:15:30 PM »
The thing is, if in a non-hungry moment you think that paleo is worth it, but tell yourself something different when you get a craving, then that is a failure of your will power and something you should work on.

To be fair, it would be pretty difficult to get started if you constantly had nonpaleo food around and not paleo food.  I have no problem now ordering a sandwich and tossing out the bread, but it felt pretty strange the first couple of months.

Given Woopy isn't in a position to get rid of the nonpaleo food, the best he can do is try to make sure there's paleo food around.

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Food Journals / Re: Doug's K.I.S.S. Principle Paleo Nutrition
« on: November 05, 2009, 06:06:51 PM »
Posy- thanks for the info re: the beef tallow.  I had the it in the fridge for a day, so I took it out and opened it up.  Plain, smooth-looking fat; uniform cream color.  Tried to dig into it with a spoon- it was rock hard!

I generally use a sturdy table knife and chip it off.  I've gotten better at this with practice.

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Food Journals / Re: Food journal of Garrolous
« on: November 05, 2009, 06:00:12 PM »
Uncured bacon, preferably low salt, is what I generally use as a treat.  Unfortunately that has to be cooked.  I should make some scallops wrapped in uncured bacon and keep it in the freezer so it will be easy to prepare.

If you just want to minimize the nonpaleo foods, you can keep some chocolate around that's dark enough that you can taste the bitter as well as the sweet.  That might be 70% at first, then 80%, 90%, 100%, 110%....

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Food Journals / Re: Harleygurls Food Journal
« on: November 05, 2009, 05:36:48 PM »
You don't have to be carb free on paleo; what you ate is actually pretty paleo.

If you are obese - BMI over 30 - you will lose weight on that diet.  If you're just trying to lose those last couple of pounds, you might have to drop the fruit and possibly cut back a little on some of the rest.

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