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Eating lean meat then adding processed fats (which is what oil is) from vegetable sources doesn't make sense. Eat fat from animals. You are used to eating 'grease' because you just said you eat vegetable fats. Just because you call one oil and one grease doesn't change what they are - it's the result of modern nutritional bias. But, if you are not used to eating much in the way of fats/oils then you might feel queasy at first so just ease into it. The energy and stamina will come but it's only been 3 days.
In addition, meat comes with fat - it's how it is naturally. Eat fatty cuts of meat, chicken with the skin and fatty fish. save the leftover fat and cook in that - coconut oil is a great alternative if you want that flavour.
Eat as much fat as you need to feel full - there is no set amount because I'm betting that in a room of 100 people there will be 100 different nutritional requirements. People have been eating fat as long as there have been people and apart from the last 50-60 years, people were not afraid of eating fat. It's part of our natural diet. Organ meats are pretty fatty and we've eaten them for millenia too. Seriously, fat doesn't make you fat and eating oranges doesn't make you orange.
Um, who says lean meats are good?
« on: February 08, 2012, 03:25:15 PM »
You are eating fat aren't you? Looks like you are trying to go low fat and that just won't work. Eat animal fat - like lard, saved meat fat, bacon fat, etc. While coconut oil is yummy, as is olive oil, to eat low fat meat and then add processed fats/oils from vegetable sources doesn't really make sense. Sat fat is good for you.
Um eat protein for breakfast - eating fruit for breakfast is ok sometimes but it's eating sugar so at least have some with protein.
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:29:48 PM »
You are talking about a week.
Why are you mentioning low calorie items? Why didn't you mention fats? Where is the red meat? If you are trying to do paleo on low fat it won't work. I also hope you are eating salads because you like them, and that you are eating saturated fat rather than trying to cut it out and replace it with only vegetable based fats. What 'version' of paleo are you using?
Just go about your day, eat real food and let your natural appetite decide for you (or learn to decide). You aren't going to 'accidentally' starve. Well, if you keep trying to eat 'low calorie/low fat' you might. It's natural to sometimes eat more and sometimes less, to have periods when you aren't hungry and periods when you are. It's not natural to manage your appetite via external references including calorie charts, scales and nutrient ratios. it is not natural to eat a low fat diet.
Don't count calories and stop trying to micromanage your food. Instead of looking for scientific studies just give it a month or so. If you are also switching from high carbohydrate dependency then you may well go through a period of decreased energy as your body switches to a different kind of fuel (some people do and some people don't). Just trust in the fact that you are eating the diet that modern humans ate for the 240,000 years before agriculture, and the two million years of our evolution.
Note: you can find lots of scientific studies - just learn to assess the variables because it's truly amazing to see how many studies completely disregard 'inconvenient' variables (like studies showing that fat is bad whilst disregarding huge quantities of dietary sugar or empty carbohydrate foods) or show significant bias.
For those who haven't seen it, here is Fitbomb's Paleo Primer which says a lot of stuff well and contains masses of links.
Fitbomb follows more of a Rob Wolf style of paleo which means that he eats more of oils and leanish meats, while I and many here reckon you need fatty meats and lard/animal fats and less processed/vegetable based oils, and he eats sweet potatoes, but the arguments he presents are pretty good and the article isn't too long.
BTW - his partner runs the Nom Nom Paleo blog
Firstly, in order to make baked goods, and use paleo stuff as a substitute, you will be using large amounts of stuff you would normally have in small amounts. I'd like to add that if not just a very occasional treat, eating this way will lead to a crap and unbalanced diet. I'd think that the foods that you 'want' either are just a vehicle for sugar or an attempt to hang on to unhealthy food ratios in another guise. The idea is to eat lots of vegetables and meats with some fruits and nuts (if that floats your boat) and not masses of ground up nuts with sweetening agents with some fruits or maybe small quantities of vegetables and meats.
As Jean said, you won't move on.
Substituting new foods onto old ideas encourages the growth of bad habits or prolongs the bad habits with substitutes that will never be the same as the thing you are trying to recreate. These two ideas are beautifully summed up as Smoking Candy Cigarettes in the first case, or Sex With Your Pants On in the second.
I think that it's worth considering the rationale behind eating this way. This will lead you to make the right decision about where you might have crossed the line - rolling something up in egg, or making mini meat and vegetable frittatas, is way different from grinding up a whole coconut and adding a half cup of honey, and I bet that with the former appetite will dictate what you eat, but the latter will be driven by sugar or spices.
Here's a snippet of Whole9′s Nutrition in 60 Seconds slightly changed by me (substitution of oils with fats):
"We eat real food – meat, fish, eggs, vegetables, fruit, fats, nuts and seeds. We choose foods that were raised, fed and grown naturally, and foods that are nutrient-dense, with lots of naturally occurring vitamins and minerals.
This is not a “diet” – we eat as much as we need to maintain strength, energy, activity levels and a healthy body weight. We aim for well-balanced nutrition, so we eat animals and a significant amount of plants.
Eating like this has helped us to look, feel, live and perform our best, and reduces our risk for a variety of lifestyle-related diseases and conditions."
NOTE: Archevore and Whole 9 follow, or used to follow, mostly paleo. I personally really like whole9 and (the majority of) their Whole30 program and I like Kurt Harris' article but not necessarily his current way of thinkingW
It's about removing grains, legumes, dairy and sugar. Gluten is only part of the picture. I liked couscous too - but it's wheat and as you've said, you understand about why you should remove it.
Vegetables and fruits contain carbs and this is where you get your carbs from.
You should get the same response at MDA.
« on: January 29, 2012, 12:10:27 AM »
Vegetables would have been a more reliable and available food source, however fruit, when available, would have been eaten. I agree that cooking stuff in oil would have been unheard of, but when used as a stuffing, or an underlying layer when baking, vegetables would have been covered with fat.
Humans are animals of opportunity so I don't think it reasonable to assume that vegetables did not play a significant part in our diet. In addition, our digestive tract and dentition point to a mixed diet that includes the grinding of fibrous matter.
Paleo people would have been able to roast on spits, cook in the embers, stuff food with things and bake in pit ovens - either covered with leaves or in the skin. Considering that they were as intelligent and sophisticated as we are it is reasonable to assume that they made use of vegetables in their particular 'cuisine'. They would also have had a profound knowledge of available herbs for medicinal and culinary use. Don't confuse media 'cavemen/neanderthals' with the actuality of early people - who had a rich culture. Oh, Neanderthals were pretty sophisticated too and not the drooling apelike beings portrayed in 'popular' media.
It's not reasonable to assume that paleolithic humans were only able to put dry, unseasoned vegetables on a fire. Your idea of roasting is much better so put the vegetable in with, under or stuffed inside the meat. I don't think that adding salt approximates early cooking (and blood) as much as it appeases modern palates. Salt was a luxury food even in medieval times. In the same way, early humans ate organ meats and therefore more fat in their meat so rendering down lard to cook with is a way of paying lip service to this.
Towards the end of the paleolithic baskets were woven and hide pots would have been in use. They don't look great but they can be used for cooking
Veggies coated with oil are like veggies coated with fat, but many modern fruits are like fruits coated with sugar - they have been bred for size, juiciness and sugar content and are eaten out of season and geographical area.
If you like the way you are eating that's fine but I don't think it accurate. I also do not think that paleo eating should be about (a severely restricted) re-enactment. We have better technology and it's reasonable to use our metal cookware and better form of ovens and new methods, as you do when you use a grill.
« on: January 28, 2012, 11:39:14 PM »
Looks good - eat enough protein & especially fat at a meal.
Coffee - lots of us drink it (it might be 'modern' but it's awesome)
Don't sweat the fruit - it may slow weight loss, but really everyone is in such a hurry now.
Don't count calories, let your body settle into this way of eating and learn how to tell you when you are hungry,