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Offline RyanElLion

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Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« on: September 14, 2011, 05:20:24 PM »
I purchased the Neanderthin book a while ago, never made a commitment to stick to it, and NOW I am, no more mixing and matching, i'm going in head first and coming back out with Muscles and Self respect.

The Basic plan:
Eat as much as you want of the following
-Meats and Fish
-Vegetables
-Fruit
-Nuts
-Berries

EAT NONE of the following (ever, no exceptions)
-Grains
-Dairy
-Sugar
-Potatoes
-Legumes

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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2011, 05:27:12 PM »
Day (00)
Today before making this commitment, I ate a pound of raspberries, blueberries, and blackberries (mixed)
Had a medium Americano from starbucks (Expresso and hot water)
Had a cup of green tea

For dinner I had 2 and a half burgers (just the meat) A 3/4 pound pork loin, and a piece of salmon topped with cheese and spinach.

I will take pictures once every 5 days to document my progress and keep my eyes on the prize/goal which is to reach single digit bodyfat 6-9%

***Note: My workout Journal will be in a separate thread called "Military Pre-emptive Training"***

The Photo Below is me on Sunday, i'll be taking another one Friday to put up here

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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2011, 05:29:57 PM »
Okay, NOW you're getting it except that if one of your goals is weight loss, keep the nuts and fruit minimal. Not all nuts are created equal either.

Also, be sure to either eat pastured meat (and/or game) and wild, cold water fish, or supplement with Omega-3 (or both).

Don't be afraid of animal fat either. Contrary to popular belief, it will not make you fat on its own. I don't know what theory is presented in Neanderthin but the school-of-Paleo-thought on eating lean meat has gravitated more towards including plenty of animal fat. It is an important macronutrient in the absence of carbohydrates.

FYI, cheese is dairy. Ditch it.
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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2011, 05:52:52 PM »
Thank you JayJay, in the book he says fat is VERY important, essential. He talks about pemmican which is basically meat fat (tallow) mixed with dried meat (jerky) to form a snack/meal that is sustainable to live off of.

I am aware that the cheese is GONE, and i'm not going to miss it, it always clogged up my nasals anyways.

I just finished off all of my non-paleo foods, so tomorrow all i'll have is Neanderthin approved foods.

And what EXACTLY do you mean by keeping nuts and fruit minimal? and what do you mean by not all nuts are created equal, i know peanuts and cashews are not nuts but other that... what do i need to know?

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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2011, 07:10:28 PM »
JayJay, I think Neanderthin is probably the best of the published books about paleo.

Ryan, higher fat nuts like walnuts and macadamias are probably better than, say, almonds and brazil nuts, which have a bit more starch.  If you're going for single digit body fat, you might want to limit fruit to immediately after resistance workouts.

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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2011, 09:47:08 PM »
JayJay, I think Neanderthin is probably the best of the published books about paleo.

Warren,

I haven't read Neanderthin but based on your trustworthy recommendation, I will order a copy for myself.

Ryan, one problem with a lot of nuts are that they are high in Omega-6, which is known to cause inflammation problems in some people. Not necessarily the kind of inflammation you can see or feel, but inflammation internally at the cellular level, which can cause all sorts of other physiological dysfunction. One of the benefits of following Paleo is that the virtual elimination of foods known to cause inflammation will allow the body to run more efficiently since it doesn't have to deal with a constant immune response to the inflammation. As Warren said, walnuts and macadamias are two of the best. You are also correct about peanuts and cashews.

As far as fruits, they are loaded with sugar. Whole fruits generally have enough fiber to keep insulin response relatively low, but fruit consumption can slow the rate of weight loss if that is your goal. If you exercise a lot however, fruit might be useful to replenish glycogen stores right after a workout. I'll let those who exercise more than I do address that though.
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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2011, 10:38:02 AM »
Thank you gentlemen, well noted
-fruit only after resistance workouts
-stick to mostly macadamia nuts and walnuts


For breakfast today I had 6 eggs and a pound 12oz. of green, yellow, and red peppers (scrambled)
i also had one handful of almonds (thats the rest of my almonds, i'm going out to buy some walnuts)
one orange and one small fig (next time not until after resistance training)

No desire for non-paleo food.

Noticing a change in my body composition, I had finished my fish and cheese last night prior to going to bed, that cheese left me congested this morning, FULLY congested, still congested. It will be gone by days end but still...

Grains have no appeal whatsoever.

Potatoes are easy to give up.

Sugar will not be missed the constant ups and steep downs.

In terms of  legumes, I used to like peanut butter (real peanut butter...peanuts and salt) but i've since lost my taste for it. Beans don't appeal to me, especially since they give me extreme amounts of gas.

Dairy will be the most difficult if i can conquer dairy the others will be conquered. No butter... :( i've got grapeseed oil, and coconut oil.


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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2011, 12:07:08 PM »
...green, yellow, and red peppers

These, like potatoes, are nightshades and are not Paleo.

No butter... :( i've got grapeseed oil, and coconut oil.

I doubt grape seed oil is Paleo. Coconut oil is okay. Butter is not Paleo but probably not too bad in extreme moderation. Ghee (clarified butter), while not technically Paleo, has had all the milk protein removed leaving only animal fat. It's very tasty and buttery and probably a good alternative to butter in moderation, especially if it's strictly from grassfed animals. But you really need to find tallow and lard and get used to cooking with animal fat.
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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2011, 04:48:48 PM »
Peppers are out of my diet, however it will be difficult to get my aunt (who does all the cooking to cook with Ghee, lard, or tallow. I'll get some and ask her if she will, see what she says.

Before my workout i took one Animal Pack (performance vitamin pack) that my friend gave me, 2 capsules of calcium, 1 of vitamin C, chromium picolinate, multi vitamins too. 

Just finished a workout and ate 6 small figs and one orange.

After that i ate 7 eggs with sea salt and italian herbs. also had a handful of alfafa sprouts, and some cod liver oil. Now eating some spinach 7 or 8 handfuls.

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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 03:39:12 PM »
One caveat about lard:  most of the stuff you find in the grocery store is partially or fully hydrogenated, which is quite bad.  Most of us end up making our own.  If you buy packaged lard, make sure it's not hydrogenated.

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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2011, 02:35:02 PM »
If your aunt doesn't want to cook with animal fats then why don't you get active in the kitchen yourself?

One thing that I have noticed is that I've had to change the way that I cook in the kitchen, and so I'm learning once again. You should get into, besides becoming more independent you'll also be an awesome cook before all your friends. I had to start fending for myself when I was about 15 so now (23) my skills in the kitchen allow for me to receive gifts in the bedroom from my beautiful girl friend.
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Re: Ryan's Neanderthin Journey
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2011, 02:35:02 PM »