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Miscellaneous / Re: Our worst nightmare
« Last post by JayJay on Today at 10:44:44 AM »

True, there could be an upside to all of this. It would be nice to get grass fed/finished beef no matter where you shop, as it was 30-40 years ago here before CAFOs ruined the industry. But that will take time, and probably won't happen in my lifetime. In the mean time, the cost of the particular foods we eat will likely skyrocket. I'm probably going to have to make the time to start hunting again. A nice supply of fresh game meat every year would put a dent in the meat budget.


Miscellaneous / Re: Changes in digestion / very different fecal odor
« Last post by osknorway on Today at 03:53:52 AM »
Okay, good to know it's not just me. I'm definitely not in ketosis and haven't been since I began eating paleo some months back, so my guess is that my composition of gut bacteria has changed to better digest plant material, hence the smell being more similar to the smell of herbivore feces. An example of what I eat during one day could be 2-4 eggs, 200g sardines, 300-500g salmon, 50g green salad, a tomato, an avocado, a carrot, a bell pepper, 1/2 grape fruit, a handful of walnuts, 300g blueberries, 4 strawberries, 1/2 broccoli, 1/2 banana, 2 medjool dates and 2 cups of vegetable soup/w bone broth.

I used Atkins for successful weight loss 7 years ago, and the ketosis did not produce any different fecal smell as far as I can remember.
Miscellaneous / Re: Our worst nightmare
« Last post by Warren Dew on October 23, 2014, 07:21:12 PM »
I hear ya, JayJay!  I'm not going to lie about my diet, but it's been years since I have told people that don't ask.  I want even my kids to be able to eat paleo all their lives, and that's going to get increasingly difficult as the population increases.

I am kind of hoping this move will eventually result in farmland being converted back into pasture land on the great plains of North America, though.
Miscellaneous / Re: Changes in digestion / very different fecal odor
« Last post by Warren Dew on October 23, 2014, 07:16:11 PM »
The same has happened to me.  In my case, the sweet smell smells like hydrazine, which is an indicator of the ketone bodies that are produced when one is in ketosis.
Miscellaneous / Our worst nightmare
« Last post by JayJay on October 23, 2014, 09:55:38 AM »
I've been a proud Paleo follower for quite a few years now and I've always felt like someone in the extreme minority who was privy to an exclusive "insider secret". Nonetheless, I've done my share of "Paleo evangelizing" and bashing the likes of Ancel Keyes and such with family members, co-workers, in discussion groups, and I've shared some of my knowledge and opinions here and in other Paleo forums. Still, I've always dreaded the day Paleo became mainstream - and I fear that day is near.

For the past few months I've noticed a ton of new stories floating around about Paleo (both positive and negative), ditching carbs, eating fat, etc. Today I found another one in a mainstream media source and it made me realize that we are now on a slippery slope.

If the mouth-breathing masses start to change their eating habits significantly, it will drive the price of the foods we need to new highs. It will also provoke the development of a new breed of "food perversions" designed to capitalize on this "new trend". We've already seen this in the Paleo world with all the pseudo-Paleo processed crap that the food industry tries to pass off as "Paleo". Next, it will be "better than lard", or "new age meat" or some processed junk that tries to look, smell, and taste like a whole food, but isn't.

In the mean time, the price of pastured meat and eggs, local, organic produce, and other Paleo staples will skyrocket.

I'm not promoting my WOE to anyone any more. It'll cost me in the end. I'm going to tell everyone how much corn, wheat, and sugary processed food improved my health from now on. As far as Paleo, move along, nothing to see here.  ;D
Miscellaneous / Changes in digestion / very different fecal odor
« Last post by osknorway on October 23, 2014, 07:32:37 AM »
I've noticed that after I switched to eating strictly paleo, with large amounts of plant fiber in my diet, my fecal odor changed dramatically. The new odor can best be described as some kind of farm odor, perhaps somewhere inbetween cow and sheep dung, though not as strong. It's kind of a sweet fecal smell that should be familiar to many. It's far removed from that standard, really terrible fecal smell that you normally smell after someone else just used the toilet.

I'm curious to know if it's just me or if others notice the same thing? Slightly worried I might have an imbalance in my gut flora, but my digestion is the best it's ever been, so I think not.
Diet and nutrition / Re: Is it really okay to eat Paleo for the rest of my life?
« Last post by TeddyAllen on October 22, 2014, 12:03:57 AM »
Thanks for the information. I'll surely save this for later use in the future, when I have kids.

Wish you and your family all the best in life. :D
Diet and nutrition / Re: Is it really okay to eat Paleo for the rest of my life?
« Last post by Warren Dew on October 21, 2014, 07:52:44 PM »
Kids can eat paleo from the time they first start taking solids; until then breast milk is also paleo.  Our 6 year old had cereals as her first solids, went onto formula at 9 months - long story - insists on carby foods, and has a constant sniffle when she doesn't have a full blown cold, which is through the entire school year.  Our 4 year old has remained mostly to completely paleo since he ate his first solids - baby back ribs - at 6 months, and pretty much never gets sick; he is currently weaning, but still nurses a bit to supplement his rare steak and other paleo food.  Our 2 year old has also been mostly paleo and rarely gets sick, though he hasn't been in that disease incubator that is preschool yet.

Keep nursing them until they wean naturally, and give them meat - cut into thin strips - as their first food.  Or just let them grab stuff off your plate.  Fruit and leafy greens are good too.
Diet and nutrition / Re: Is it really okay to eat Paleo for the rest of my life?
« Last post by TeddyAllen on October 21, 2014, 06:01:17 PM »
Yeah, since I've eaten Paleo, soft drink, instant noodles and other artificial seasonings taste really ... chemical to me.

It's a good sign I can keep going like that. Thanks for your kind answer! :)

But can I ask one more question? How about the kids? From what age we can allow them to eat Paleo?
Diet and nutrition / Re: Is it really okay to eat Paleo for the rest of my life?
« Last post by Warren Dew on October 21, 2014, 10:55:54 AM »
Sounds like you're doing well!

It's fine to eat paleo for the rest of your life - in fact, that's the best way to do it.  If you go back to the standard bad diet, you'll just get your standard bad problems back.

My wife has eaten paleo for two pregnancies, and the kids are fine.
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