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Food Journals / Re: Jamie's Paleo Comeback
« Last post by JWSthe3rd on October 01, 2014, 07:58:00 AM »
Day 8 - 218.2 lbs - 4.6 lbs lost to date


1 pack of Costco Diced Fuji Apple Slices (4-5 slices)
1/2 bag of Krave Pineapple Orange Beef Jerky


Chicken Caesar Salad without Croutons, with added Sunflower Seeds, Artichokes, and Black Olives


1 Chicken Apple Cranberry Salad with Apple Balsamic Vinaigrette


12 oz. Sugar-Free Red Bull
12 oz. Diet Mtn Dew
8   oz. Coffee with Unsweetened Vanilla Almond Milk
45 oz. Filtered Water
12 oz. of Diet Coke
34 oz. bottle of Smartwater


1 packet of Blue Diamond Smokehouse Almonds
Diet and nutrition / Bulking
« Last post by DavidG on October 01, 2014, 06:25:50 AM »
I know this topic has been covered ad infinitum, but here it goes.

I'd like to bulk up about ten pounds.  No deadlines, but would like to meet this goal by the end of the year.  I'm currently at 148 lbs, 5' 8", around 15% bf.  I have logged all my calories for the past week, aiming for 2800 daily.  Started at 149 last Tues., weighed 150 on Sat., and weighed in at 148 yesterday.  Trouble is, I'm not convinced that these weight fluctuations can be attributed to anything other than water.  My guess is I probably just stayed at maintenance.

I work out three to four days a week.  My three main exercises are low-bar squat, military press, and pull-up.  Aside from that, I'm also doing deadlift, barbell curl, lunges, tricep push-downs, and decline sit-ups.  Haven't been following a set routine, so I'd be open to suggestions.

Diet is mostly paleo, meat, eggs, and veggies.  I eat potatoes with my evening meal in order to promote sleep and replenish glycogen.  My job itself is physically intensive.  I work at a plant nursery, so I'm constantly on my feet, watering, loading plants and soils, sweeping, raking, etc.  In the past, I have eaten as many as 3000 cal a day without weight change, but that was when I was exercising daily.

One final concern.  I wouldn't consider myself skinny-fat, but I've never seen much definition in my abs.  My waist is slim, but my overall frame is light, under-muscled.  Am I making the right choice by bulking, or would I be better off on a recomp?  I've been lifting for a year and a half.
Introductions / Re: Long-time cavegirl with opinions!
« Last post by Warren Dew on September 30, 2014, 10:25:56 PM »

Please be aware that the paleo diet is not just about generic "early humans"; it is about paleolithic humans, especially in the period of approximately 2 million years ago to 100,000 years ago, when we were evolving our large brains and the other characteristics that make us who we are today.

There is no evidence for any use of legumes or grains during that period.  Isotopic analyses of human bones from that period show that we got more than 95%, and most likely 100%, of our protein from meat, which rules out any noticeable contribution from plant sources containing proteins, such as legumes and grains.

I would agree that most nonanimal oils used in "paleo" diets is questionable; for example, olive oil requires significant processing not likely to have been done by itinerant hunters back when there was plenty of large bodied game around.
Introductions / Re: New to Paleo, AF, overseas, HELP!
« Last post by cavegirljoy on September 30, 2014, 05:26:43 PM »

If you search "paleo breakfast" and "paleo lunch" you get tons of pages each with hundreds of ideas. Personally I think hardly any of them are genuine paleo, but if you're following the prescribed fad diet that isn't actually genuine stoneage food then you'll be able to choose from a huge number of ideas on those pages.

Introductions / Re: New to Paleo
« Last post by cavegirljoy on September 30, 2014, 05:12:37 PM »
That's brilliant! Good on you for making such a radical change for the better. I hope you carry on with it.
Introductions / Long-time cavegirl with opinions!
« Last post by cavegirljoy on September 30, 2014, 05:10:09 PM »
Hi  ;)

I've been eating paleo for years before I discovered it had become a new fad. My choice came about due to growing my own produce and waking up to the fact that it's not natural for humans to eat salty or sugary or processed foods. I wanted to live a purer life eating what was natural for my body, because we haven't evolved to eat a modern western diet. I wanted to eat what was good for me and what was wholesome. All of that boiled down to eating a primitive diet, or early human diet.

I've also researched into what tribal peoples eat and what early humans ate. So I disagree with some of the prescribed tenets of the popular paleo diet, because it's factually innacurate and wrong. I agree with most of it; it's principally the omission of legumes and wild grains I totally dispute, because there's ample evidence early humans ate these, plus seeds and nuts ground as porrige or baked as flat patties on stones around the fire. An informative page about this is here

I also dispute the inclusion of non-animal oils, because there seems no valid evidence that early humans used processed oils, or even fried anything unless they used lard. I know of no tribal peoples today who fry their food - though some dry roast (similar to frying) insects on a skillet. How would it be possible to fry anything in the stone age before metal pots were made? Baking or roasting on stones would be possible, or pit-roasting meat, or stewing using various pots made from natural materials or clay - but frying could not be done prior to the iron age.

Plus I do think cave people were clever - their brain was the size of ours, so they had the same capacity to figure things out. So they did cook and could manage to process roots, etc, to make them safe and palitable to eat. The early and tribal diet is also NOT meat heavy - a once weekly roast dinner is enough meat to eat.

The true paleo diet is based on grazing little and often through the day like an ape or monkey, with a very varied tapas mixture of different natural foods; punctuated by an occasional chunk of meat. This is how our digestion has evolved to eat.

Personally, because this is something I've been commited to for a long time I don't find it difficult or confusing. I can understand how it's hard for most westeners to give up dairy and bread, but it's psychological and once you're over the craving it bothers you less and less until it's nothing. Eating paleo is a lifestyle choice and it fails if you add modern foods to it (what's the point?) I don't get people keep eating fried food, salt, sugar, bacon, etc - why? That's not paleo; it's junk.

Our bodies have evolved to eat natural, unprocessed food - if it not that, then don't eat it; it's quite simple. You reap the benefits greatly within a very short span of time and the improvements get better and better. Our modern diet really is shit and you have to think why am I putting this shit into my body? If you value yourself and want to be healthier and stay healthy then you need to eat genuine paleo - it works wonders.

Research / Re: New Euro study attacks red meat
« Last post by Warren Dew on September 30, 2014, 04:48:47 PM »
Actually, the only hunter gatherers studied before significant influence from contact with agricultural civilization, the Ache, got 56% of their calories from meat, mostly red meat.  The only reason other hunter gatherer tribes eat less meat is because they've been pushed onto marginal land by agricultural civilization, where there are very few large animals to be had.  Actual paleolithic middens show that paleo man ate very large amounts of red meat - primarily red deer in Europe, with hippopotamus making up the biggest contribution from sites in Africa.

More information on hunter gatherers here:!kung-etc/

I do agree it is likely that they prized the fattier cuts of meat, and they certainly did seem to enjoy marrow, which is very high in fat.

No causation has been shown between L-carnitine and heart attacks in humans.  Causation has been shows in mice, but mice have evolved to eat grains, not meat, unlike humans.  Especially for women, if you want to avoid heart attacks, your best bet is to avoid carbohydrates, not meat.
Diet and nutrition / Re: Is it Paleo? (flowchart)
« Last post by cavegirljoy on September 30, 2014, 04:33:30 PM »
The chart is a great piece of work that clearly explains the prescribed view of the paleo diet.

However, the diet isn't a true representation of what cave people ate. I particularly dispute legumes and grains, because there's ample evidence they ate these; as do most tribal peoples today.

A very informative page to read about this can be found at - - it gives the true picture of the extent of legume and grain use in the eary human diet.
Diet and nutrition / Re: New to the forum need some serious help please
« Last post by cavegirljoy on September 30, 2014, 04:11:03 PM »

... you should be able to eat anything in your diet in its natural, uncooked state. If you can't do that, it isn't paleo.

With respect to the above writer; but personally I don't believe that's true, nor a reflection of what early people actually ate. We know from evidence that cave people had fires and cooked meat, plus ground wild grains, nuts, seeds; we know that from charred remains in caves. Of course, like most tribal peoples they also ate raw food, but for sure cave people made certain food more palatable by stewing or roasting, or baking on flat stones by the fire. Some roots need a lot of prep and cooking to make them safe to eat - cave people weren't stupid and figured out how to make the most of every kind of resource they could find in their area so they didn't starve.

The trouble seems to be with most people is that they're too meat dependent, which isn't accurate of a primitive diet, plus their food lacks a complete balance. Worst of all they add fried food, plus salted and processed meat, which we know would never have been in a paleo diet and doesn't feature in any tribal diet anywhere.

The fact is that even an ideal early, proto, or primitive diet is meagre in comparison to a modern western diet in terms of volume. That's why we get too fat and get addicted to eating big portions. The ideal primitive diet contains a wide variety of components - I've written about this in my other posts if you search me - and it's more of a gazing diet than a three square meals diet - that's how our guts have evolved to work; little and often, like apes and monkeys eat. They are constantly nibbling something and keeping their guts working like a conveyor belt - when you eat like that you stay full.

No tribe eats meat every day. For a westener a once weekly roast dinner is enough meat. Otherwise graze daily on a wide variety of natural foods - like a banquet of paleo tapas! But NO salt, sugar, bacon or processed meat, or dairy. People just need to spend a day properly thinking about it and making a genuine commitment to change for the better, because eating like we've evolved to eat is a lifestyle choice that is part of who you are and you do it because you know it's right; otherwise there's no point to it.
Diet and nutrition / Re: What can help my aching joints?
« Last post by cavegirljoy on September 30, 2014, 03:43:55 PM »
Sorry about your joints. I have severe arthritis and have become quite an expert on joint supplements and diet.

Within the spectrum of the paleo diet that excludes modern supplements I very strongly recommend that once per week you boil a whole chicken - a butchered one of course (not feathers, etc).

Either put the whole carcass into a pot, or quarter it to fit. Put a lid on and slow cook it for several hours until all the fat and connective tissue and joints have melted away into the water. The skin will be very soft at this stage. The bones will fall away from the meat.

Pick through to remove every bit of bone - these are now soft enough to feed to dogs when cold. You'll find that the meat and every bit of the bird will have broken down into tiny bits into a delicious stock - you can eat this as a stew, or you can blend it into a soup.

There's no need to add veg or anything.

This broth is highly nutritious and very high in the kinds of connective tissue, fats and collagen that you need to help mend and protect your joints - you'll feel it doing you good as you eat it!

I hope this helps. It's a very easy dish and delicious from the full taste of the chicken.  :)
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