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Offline Warren Dew

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Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« on: August 16, 2009, 11:43:16 AM »
This is a link that Enigma posted in her introductions post.  I thought it was good enough to repost here for easy reference:

http://www.dhslides.org/mgr/mgr060509f/f.htm

(Edit:  the above link seems to be deactivated.  Try this one instead:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4362041487661765149
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It's a 45 minute talk given by Gary Taubes at Dartmouth on the shaky scientific assumptions behind the "food pyramid".

For reference, this was originally posted in:

http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?topic=1427.0
« Last Edit: October 09, 2010, 01:46:55 PM by Warren Dew »

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 03:06:23 PM »
Wow, this was really worth the time!

I am definitely keeping this in my bookmarks. Thanks for the amazing link.

I had thought that no matter if you are eating paleo or not, you would gain weight if you had excess calories. He makes a really, really compelling argument about the "energy balance" theory.

Again, thanks for re-posting the link.


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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2009, 06:22:37 PM »
I have lost weight whist eating massive amounts of food.  Lowering carbs makes much more difference than restricting calories.

Eating steak and sitting on the couch to lose weight is much easier than trying to exercise while starving yourself ;)

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2009, 08:16:52 PM »
Here's a link to a longer version of the lecture on youtube:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4362041487661765149

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 07:57:19 AM »
Adding a link posted elsewhere on the forum of an interview with Taubes and others for reference:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/19/lkl.01.html


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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 01:10:45 AM »
I have lost weight whist eating massive amounts of food.  Lowering carbs makes much more difference than restricting calories.

Eating steak and sitting on the couch to lose weight is much easier than trying to exercise while starving yourself ;)

I know this is an older post, but since I'm new I'm just catching up on all the reading.

This is SO true!  I had to laugh because my coworkers would see me eating massive amounts of food and fatty meats and wonder how in the world I'm shrinking.  Nothing like a prime rib steak for weightloss...

Meanwhile my diabetic coworker is eating pasta because it is low fat.

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2009, 04:01:32 AM »
I know this is an older post, but since I'm new I'm just catching up on all the reading.

This is SO true!  I had to laugh because my coworkers would see me eating massive amounts of food and fatty meats and wonder how in the world I'm shrinking. 

I met with some old friends that I hadn't seen in quite some time.  When we got to commenting on our age, someone said, "You look good.  What's the secret; diet and exercise?"  My reply was, "More like gluttony and sloth."  It's a hard sell in the face of corporate influence.

TWS

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2009, 05:23:42 PM »
I know this is an older post, but since I'm new I'm just catching up on all the reading.

This is SO true!  I had to laugh because my coworkers would see me eating massive amounts of food and fatty meats and wonder how in the world I'm shrinking.

I met with some old friends that I hadn't seen in quite some time.  When we got to commenting on our age, someone said, "You look good.  What's the secret; diet and exercise?"  My reply was, "More like gluttony and sloth."  It's a hard sell in the face of corporate influence.

TWS

I know what you mean - I just had a co-worker come up to me today and say "I want to be healthy like you!" I've talked with her before about the way I eat but she can't seem to just try it. She also can't believe that I don't spend much time at the gym.

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2010, 11:56:07 PM »
Yes we have all been brainwashed.

But based on that lecture and the knowledge that was available 60 YEARS AGO

the governments/medical faction are guilty of gross negligence if not abuse of whole populations.

We are not scientists but we can understand what he is saying!

I feel very cross having seen that. (cross=mad)


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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 10:40:07 AM »
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I met with some old friends that I hadn't seen in quite some time.  When we got to commenting on our age, someone said, "You look good.  What's the secret; diet and exercise?"  My reply was, "More like gluttony and sloth."  It's a hard sell in the face of corporate influence.

Haha, so true!

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 07:56:02 PM »
Brand new to this thread (been lurking for ~2days), and this is a great video. I know Taubes gets a lot of crap for having "non-conventional" views and such, but at least he's doing his own research & doesn't seem to get $ from sketchy organizations.

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 07:53:00 PM »
Just wanted to add links to more material by Taubes.

2002 New York Times article, somewhat dated but possibly interesting historically:

http://cavemanforum.com/research/gary-taubes-debunking-the-'food-pyramid'/msg21772

"Good Calories, Bad Calories", a 2007 book providing a closely reasoned justification for Taubes' thesis, along with hundreds of references from peer reviewed journals, somewhat heavy reading:

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462/

An updated and simplified 2010 book on the same topic:

http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-Borzoi/dp/0307272702/

Taubes' blog:

http://www.garytaubes.com/blog/

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2011, 04:28:48 AM »
I have to agree with Tarlach about dieting.  I see so many of my neighbors eating low fat and gaining wait.  they buy low-fat cookbooks and I read some of them and roared....  You might as well starve to death.  When I had my gallbladder out in 2009 my doctor told me to go "no-fat and/or low-fat" and I said "what?!"  Why should I have to change my eating habits?  He said that my diet caused my gallbladder to go bad.  He had no more answers for me.  I went home the same day and never changed my diet, nor did I take his stupid pain pills. 

I think low fat is the most dangerous diet in the world.

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2011, 06:07:58 AM »
Why didn't Taubes talk about the China study in Good calories, bad calories? It came out 2 years before publication as far as I know.

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Re: Gary Taubes debunking the "food pyramid"
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2011, 01:27:49 PM »
Why didn't Taubes talk about the China study in Good calories, bad calories? It came out 2 years before publication as far as I know.

I don't know ... maybe because good quality analyses of the actual data hadn't come out yet?